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From Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Podling name search - early or late?
Date Fri, 27 May 2016 22:35:38 GMT
I think the point is that name search is not a blocker for doing incubator
releases - it can be time consuming and there are many other "bureaucratic"
steps to get through in the beginning like IP clearance and license
checking.

For brand new projects, name search can therefore be delayed - their name
is less important as their community will be fully within the incubator to
start with.

However I think for established distributed projects moving to the
incubator it is more important to sort name earlier - it can be disruptive
enough for the community with the change of infrastructure and the
formalities, so you may might not want to confuse them again with a new
name many months later - effectively changing all infrastructure again.

Some podlings found their name could be tricky trademark wise and had to
change, but getting together and deciding a new name can even be a good
thing, as it breaks any legacy corporate ownership and builds a new
collective identity.
On 27 May 2016 7:20 p.m., "Balaji Ganesan" <bganesan@apache.org> wrote:

> Podling namesearch is essential step that needs to be completed before the
> podling graduates. There is no specific guidance, as far as i know, on what
> stage of podling you should do it.
>
> That said, it would be better to do this early enough and get approval on
> the name. If there is any reason to change name, due to a conflict, it is
> better to do it before releases are made and community starts building
> around. Name change is always a pain.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Jakob Homan <jghoman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We were getting ready to start the PNS for Airflow when I came across
> > this comment from Shane in regards to Kudu:
> >
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-93
> > "This looks like a pretty good set of search data, but we usually
> > don't work on resolving PODLINGNAMESEARCHES until a podling is clearly
> > established, has a release, community is building, etc."
> >
> > This is surprising to me and different than the last time I was
> > involved in an incubating project.  Is this correct?
> >
> > It seems more useful to determine if a name can be used early in the
> > incubation, before releases, talks, thousands of lines code, package
> > names, emotional attachments, etc.  In the event that a podling fails,
> > nothing is lost by okaying the name early, assuming we don't attempt
> > to trademark (which we haven't been for non-TLPs, I believe).
> >
> > Any thoughts?  Any reason not to start doing the PNS for Airflow now?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jakob
> >
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