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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Number of projects in Incubation [was: [VOTE] Release Apache Mynewt 0.9.0-incubating-rc1]
Date Mon, 30 May 2016 09:09:17 GMT
Yeah... kind of hard for me to vote while I was on vacation last week.
Didn't happen, but that is not a problem.

As Justin notes, our job is to *mentor* ... that doesn't mean we are
obligated to vote. Voting on a release implies a large commitment to
downloading the tarball, building, deploying, testing, etc. And Mynewt is
not the easiest of our projects ... "configure; make; make install" isn't
even *close* to what is needed. I've got some hardware bits that I could
use for testing, but have not found the time to get the whole cycle set up.

Being unable to *test* the bits, that means I cannot offer my +1. But
damned sure that I've been providing oversight on the Mynewt podling as it
turns the crank.

A +1 vote means "I've downloaded, verified, built, tested, etc". Mentors
are more about *community* rather than the code. (I like mynewt and plan to
deploy it, but that is irrelevant to the matter at hand)

So I'm gonna ask that y'all ease up and re-examine what release voting
really means.

Cheers,
-g

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Sterling Hughes <sterling@apache.org>
wrote:

> I just want to clarify here on the thread —- while I think in general
> there may be problems with too many podlings/inactive mentors, that is not
> an issue we often face.
>
> It is simply that this release came at a time when some of our mentors
> were busy, and we want to get a release out the door— and I was looking for
> others on the incubator PMC to help us ship it.  Hopefully some folks can
> step in.
>
> If this were to happen on every release, it would be a problem.  This is
> our 4th release, and the first time it’s happened — generally everyone has
> been engaged and very helpful.
>
> Best,
>
> Sterling
>
>
> On 27 May 2016, at 18:05, John D. Ament wrote:
>
> I can agree that there's an issue with the overall number of podlings
>> around.  However, I don't agree with telling a podling that the IPMC isn't
>> going to look at your vote and that your mentors should do that.
>>
>> The funny thing though, MyNewt has more than the recommended 3 mentors,
>> yet
>> this is still a problem for them.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:59 PM Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree... One of the main reasons we went from 1 to 3
>>>> recommended mentors, way back in the days, was that those 3 would be the
>>>> primary people to ping for binding votes, without limiting the rest of
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> IPMC to do so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Huge +1 to the above! If your mentors can't be bothered to vote --
>>> there's something
>>> seriously wrong.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>>
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