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From Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator
Date Mon, 04 Apr 2016 00:50:38 GMT
On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:

> Niali,
>
> I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has only
> added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later joined
> their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding committers
> isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when graduating.
> JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the various
> lists are also taken into account.
>


> The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the pipeline
> is also great to hear.
>
> The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit bigger
> than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some projects that
> are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that structure.
>

I did some more research and looked at the proposed PMC participation in
the 10 Johnzon release votes (see attachment) and there are four active
members. I will withdraw my vote, but I think Johnzon with 4 people and
only 2 really active on the code is borderline and it needs to recruit more
people to be sustainable long term.

Niall




>
> John
>
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Please look at more current data
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
> >
> >
> > I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
> > difference.
> >
> > Also note that there are patches applied from contributors via Jira
> patches
> > > and NOT via git-pull. Thus they show not up in the graph above.
> > >
> > > From that category we have Reinhard Sandtner (apacheId rsandtner) which
> > is
> > > closely looked for as potential committer and Karl Grosse (also on our
> > > watch list). Both provided patches and contributed in hacking sessions.
> > >
> >
> > Thats great, but I agree with the  June, Sept & Dec 2015 board reports
> > about growing the committers/ppmc - and I don't understand why that was
> > reported as a graduation requirement and now its not and Johnzon is
> ready?
> >
> > Niall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > LieGrue,
> > > strub
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, 3 April 2016, 20:18, Niall Pemberton <
> > > niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Johnzon reports for June, Sept & Dec 2015 all listed "adding
new
> > > > committers/pmc members" in the "most important issues to address in
> > > > the
> > > > move towards graduation" - but in that time there were no changes to
> > the
> > > > community. So what changed to make the ppmc/mentors now think the
> > project
> > > > is ready to graduate?
> > > >
> > > > Johnzon has added Hendrik Saly as a committer/ppmc member (Aug 2014 /
> > Apr
> > > > 2015), but of the 6 original committers listed on the original
> > proposal,
> > > > only 3 are on proposed TLP, so the statement in the Maturity model
> > saying
> > > > "List of commmitters and PPMC members has grown during incubation" is
> > > > a bit
> > > > misleading.
> > > >
> > > > From looking at commits, there are only 2 active people[1] and for me
> > > thats
> > > > a concern for the projects long term viability and so my vote is -1
> to
> > > > graduation.
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.fleece.commits
> > > >
> > > > Niall
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hendrik Dev <hendrikdev22@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>  The Apache Johnzon community has discussed and voted on graduation
> to
> > > >>  a top level project. The vote passed with 8 +1 votes (5 from the
> > PPMC)
> > > >>  and no 0 or -1 votes.
> > > >>
> > > >>  Incubation Status:
> > > >>  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/johnzon.html
> > > >>  Maturity Assessment:
> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/d88S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>  Discussions:
> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/5vxO
> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/8VkX
> > > >>  Vote:
> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/suuK
> > > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/mawumtfqokgye5xn)
> > > >>  Result:
> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/Erd0
> > > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/qmqvk56ccqkq2gob)
> > > >>
> > > >>  Please vote on the resolution pasted below to graduate Apache
> Johnzon
> > > >>  from the incubator to top level project.
> > > >>
> > > >>  [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator.
> > > >>  [ ] +0 Don't care.
> > > >>  [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator because ...
> > > >>
> > > >>  This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > > >>
> > > >>  Many thanks to our mentors and everyone else for the support,
> > > >>
> > > >>  Hendrik Saly on behalf of the Apache Johnzon PPMC
> > > >>
> > > >>  Apache Johnzon top-level project resolution:
> > > >>  ============================================
> > > >>
> > > >>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > > >>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > > >>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > > >>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > > >>  open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> > > >>  the public, related to JSR-353 compliant JSON parsing and a
> > > >>  set of useful modules to help with the usage of JSR-353
> > > >>  as well as JSR successors (like JSR-374) or related JSRs
> > > >>  (like JSR-367).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > > >>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Johnzon Project",
> > > >>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > > >>  Foundation; and be it further
> > > >>
> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Johnzon Project be and hereby is
> > > >>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> > > >>  related to JSR-353 compliant JSON parsing and a
> > > >>  set of useful modules to help with the usage of JSR-353
> > > >>  as well as JSR successors (like JSR-374) or related JSRs
> > > >>  (like JSR-367); and be it further
> > > >>
> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Johnzon" be
> > > >>  and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > > >>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > > >>  of the Apache Johnzon Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > > >>  for management of the projects within the scope of
> > > >>  responsibility of the Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
> > > >>
> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > > >>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > > >>  Apache Johnzon Project:
> > > >>
> > > >>  * Justin Mclean <jmclean AT apache.org>
> > > >>  * Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau AT apache.org>
> > > >>  * Jean-Louis Monteiro <jlmonteiro AT apache.org>
> > > >>  * Mark Struberg <struberg AT apache.org>
> > > >>  * Hendrik Saly <salyh AT apache.org>
> > > >>
> > > >>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hendrik Saly (salyh)
> > > >>  be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Johnzon, to
> > > >>  serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > > >>  Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > > >>  death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > > >>  or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > > >>
> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Johnzon PMC be and hereby is
> > > >>  tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > > >>  encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > > >>  Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
> > > >>
> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Johnzon Project be and hereby
> > > >>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > > >>  Incubator Johnzon podling; and be it further
> > > >>
> > > >>  RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > > >>  Incubator Johnzon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > > >>  Project are hereafter discharged.
> > > >>
> > > >>  --
> > > >>  Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
> > > >>  @hendrikdev22
> > > >>  PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
> > > >>
> > > >>
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