From general-return-52352-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Nov 4 09:17:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F023018E99 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 84866 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2015 09:17:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 84675 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2015 09:17:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 84663 invoked by uid 99); 4 Nov 2015 09:17:21 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:17:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 47F3FC3BA4 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:17:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.898 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.898 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HbMsUYw3TG0H for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f171.google.com (mail-yk0-f171.google.com [209.85.160.171]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id D6C8F20A92 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ykdr3 with SMTP id r3so61434833ykd.1 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:17:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=48TwjLbfB0HnaTPHhp365RcjCDvT0wCcRoCHJJ4N/x0=; b=GfX6Fs+T7wrKb4tBRqDvssccIQKurlGm/IjA3mSigib202AS2HRaQFO2OrgFmqLaZ5 M4hGJ0w86etJqhsZUc5UL7eqoZaGSL4Owk4fmRGhwXWLNLBAwXQzX1WLiN+rXAuHGqWm BE5vs8uOtPfec8y7mgRpggDbER3iOgNgOtdl/uTo1z6So2Cp0VHRxu2N7i0UCdd3M6KJ 3HPaSahpRpaKNCOIiRmbMdk6di5HCoSXRgvktCiOinnf9odP7jhfTBa7vhmp2odU0tCB 0Sf18wj8TMeC1BAYvrQLP23WBsnJ4tZkVpftYBOZ6T3R9Og542TH7k+sNw7F/2p1KtrC yGcA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.7.196 with SMTP id 187mr375772vkh.141.1446628633071; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.148.16 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.148.16 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:17:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1446465555.3149570.426574697.76AAA52B@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5637A2F9.2000502@zonker.net> <5637C764.9090707@zonker.net> <5637D540.1060806@zonker.net> <5637DBD6.3060306@zonker.net> <1446502283.947.427199313.71AF5988@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:17:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation From: Greg Stein To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144131acbd9b20523b37977 --001a1144131acbd9b20523b37977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Nov 4, 2015 2:47 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > > ...what would the action item the community should take away from > > this? As their mentor I'm not sure what advice i can give them. "add more > > ppmc members"? Sounds like that's in the pipeline. Seems artificial to me.... > > If it's in the pipeline that's fine, what's important IMO is that the > podling demonstrates that it can grow/renew its (p)PMC, during > incubation. And note the Board also wants to see PMC growth over the years (for TLPs). This is why we mandate reporting requirements of "last date of PMC addition" Cheers, -g --001a1144131acbd9b20523b37977--