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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal
Date Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:51:37 GMT
Hi Cos,

-----Original Message-----

From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
Reply-To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 12:28 PM
To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

>On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:19PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Todd has answered this question already - that folks will be invited
>> based on their contributions made during Incubation. The mentors on
>> this project have a history of being inclusive, so I think we’re fine
>> on that.
>> 
>> As for inviting people based on their company affiliation, this has
>> been dealt with plenty of times in the Incubator, most recently
>> Roy’s comments I believe in 2012 which summarize this - diversity,
>> while to be encouraged, is not a strict requirement of Incubation.
>
>Chris, I couldn't care less about where the contributors are coming from.
>Basing the "diversity" on affiliaiton (or any other arbitrary property) is
>quite bogus - I am with you and Roy on this. All I want to make sure that
>people who contributed code and, perhaps, became inactive for a period of
>time, are aware about the project trying to enter the incubation. Which
>might
>trigger their wish to participate again.

Todd and the initial contributors list of this proposal are who came to me
and the other mentors and who approached to bring this project to Apache.
If there are other folks who have contributed to the project prior to
Apache, 
good for them and if they want to be part of the community that’s between
them and
quite honestly Todd and the initial contributors. There is no requirement
to 
include them on this proposal. If they have code contributions part of
this 
code base, that they don’t want included, they can state that. It was my
understanding this code base was Apache License, version 2, beforehand,
thus 
we have the ability to include and modify their code as part of an ALv2
licensed code base, that is being brought to the ASF.

Community wise and regardless of the license, if someone who contributed
prior wasn’t included in this proposal and wanted their code removed,
I would assume Todd and the members of the initial PPMC would honor
their wishes since we only want code that wants to be included in this
project. Recall also - we are forming a community here - which is a set of
people that can and desire to work together.

>
>Hopefully, the third time to clarify my initial point would be a charm ;)

Clarified. That said, see above and my own point.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
>> Reply-To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 12:14 PM
>> To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal
>> 
>> >My point exactly, thanks Henry!
>> >
>> >On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:51PM, Henry Saputra wrote:
>> >> Hi Todd,
>> >> 
>> >> One concern, other IPMCs could help correct me if I am wrong, for
>> >> project that already open source and accepting contributions from
>> >> individuals which not part of initial committers is that it needs to
>> >> get the consent or grant from those contributors when moving to ASF.
>> >> Unless, the individuals have already signed the one for Cloudera when
>> >> contributing to Kudu.
>> >> 
>> >> Want to make sure the software grant concern be addressed early.
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> 
>> >> - Henry
>> >> 
>> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:47 PM, Todd Lipcon <todd@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Luke Han <luke.hq@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In "community" section of this proposal, there are many companies
>> >> >> have been mentioned including Xiaomi, Dropbox, Intel and Dremio,
>> >> >> and said there are contributions from them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think their engineers are more interesting and be involved
>> >> >> in Kudu actively, why not think about to invite them to be
>>committer
>> >>first?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Per earlier messages on the thread and per the proposal: because
>>they
>> >> > haven't yet shown significant contributions over a sustained
>>period.
>> >> > Interest is one thing, but interest is not sufficient to become a
>> >>committer
>> >> > in a meritocracy. The folks called out in the community section are
>> >>those
>> >> > who have interest and are somewhere on the path towards
>> >>committership, but
>> >> > aren't there yet. I have every hope (and expectation) that they
>>will
>> >>get
>> >> > there if they keep up their good work.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would rather not discuss specific people's progress towards
>> >>committership
>> >> > in a public forum. Rather, I hoped that we could start with the
>> >>proposed
>> >> > committer list, and during incubation we can discuss potential new
>> >> > committers and PMC members following the typical ASF processes on
>>our
>> >> > PPMC's private list. I'm counting on our experienced mentors to
>>keep
>> >>us all
>> >> > honest -- they should absolutely call us out if the initial
>> >>committers act
>> >> > exclusionary or otherwise violate the ASF principles of being an
>> >>inclusive
>> >> > meritocracy.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Todd
>> >> 
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