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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:25:29 GMT
Look at what we don't see- signs of dysfunction.  Even with this thread,
with serious consequences for the podling,
nobody is behaving in a territorial or defensive way about the project.
The feedback has been very reasonable,
respectful of Joe's concerns, and direct.

I have a strong suspicion that the core problem here is that the mentors
aren't following the commit list, which is
where the jira email trail gets sent.  Looking there you will see a
plethora of examples where tickets, many filed by
non-project participants, are being discussed by several project members,
far from the presentation that discussions
are happening off-Apache-infra and tickets are being "shut down" without
public review.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:

> The only thing I might recommend of the podling is to try to leave
> low-hanging fruit in jira unpatched for a longer period of time to allow
> outside contributors the ability to participate.  Coupled with identifying
> these tickets on the mailing list, that might lead to more outside
> contributions.
> I do share the concern that we have several elected committers that
> haven't yet advanced to the ppmc level.
> Perhaps there's not enough project-level mentoring (as opposed to IMPC
> mentoring) going on to bring these newer people along.
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
>> I still consider that hearsay evidence.  If you bother to actually look
>> at their Jira you will see the vast majority of tickets opened in the past
>> month remain open.  I've spent an hour or so myself investigating this in
>> some detail and turned up nothing- I invite you and others to do the same.
>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015, Rich Bowen <> wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 2015 11:34 AM, "Joe Schaefer" <> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > David,
>>> >
>>> > The problem with Rich's commentary is that we don't have any solid
>>> evidence
>>> > to that effect.  Certainly not on a systematic level.
>>> > All I see is a lot of responsiveness from the team about
>>> repair-oriented
>>> > tickets, or some mundane task like updating dependencies.
>>> > I don't find credible evidence to support the claim that development is
>>> > happening prior to filing a ticket about it.
>>> Sure. I'm not involved in the community, but have had the above scenario
>>> described to me by two different people.

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