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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: [Result][VOTE] Graduate Apache Kylin from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 22:38:42 GMT
Sure, to reiterate comments made in other threads.

The issue started with a missing SGA.  The SGA missing was problematic for
a few reasons:

- The discussion thread was started without all required pre-steps resolved.
- The vote thread was started before the SGA was submitted to the secretary.

In the meanwhile, a release vote was started for Kylin where supposedly
previously fixed licensing issues were found to not be resolved.  In that
case, it was noted that the issue was raised before, the JIRA marked as
resolved, however the issue wasn't actually resolved.  From there, it seems
that pressure was put on the IPMC member who had voted -1 to change his
vote.  From my point of view, a graduating podling shouldn't have licensing
issues in releases, due to the risks that it raises.  It seems odd to me
that two major licensing problems came up so quickly for this one podling.

At this point, licensing issues to me do block the graduation of Kylin.  It
can be resolved with a new release vote that fixes the licensing issue and
I'll happy vote +1 if all licensing problems are resolved.  I would
encourage the mentors to closely compare Kylin to the recently proposed
maturity model and see if there are any gaps.


On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 2:27 PM Marvin Humphrey <>

> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 5:06 PM, John D. Ament <>
> wrote:
> > At this point, I'd request that my vote remain listed as -1 on the board
> > resolution.
> A -1 on a graduation resolution is significant.  While a -1 on a release
> does not block the release, a -1 on a VOTE like graduation, entry into the
> incubator, policy change, etc, ordinarily blocks progress.
> We handle things this way at Apache because consensus decision keeps
> communities together.  When issues are decided by majority rule, the
> minority's opinions can be disregarded -- and the losing faction ends up
> isolated.  In contrast, when issues are decided by consensus, the majority
> has
> to go the extra mile to consider the opinions of the minority and possibly
> adjust their proposals.
> So it would be helpful if you would please clarify whether you intend to
> block
> Kylin's graduation this month.  If not, please consider changing your
> position
> to -0 on graduation.  On the other hand, if you do intend to block
> graduation,
> please indicate what could persuade you to change your position.
> Marvin Humphrey
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