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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:42:55 GMT
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:
> > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC
> members
> > since its inception...
>
> If that's correct I'm -1 on graduating Sentry.
>
> and earlier he wrote:
> > ..The model that Sentry is pursing may work very well *for the existing
> > members of the podling.* In my opinion, its process is entirely too
> > opaque to allow for interested parties outside of the existing podling
> > and companies interested in Sentry development to become involved...
>
> Not having added any PPMC members seems to confirm that.
>
>
Bertrand, imo this is a reasonable concern. I remember some discussion a
while back on the sentry lists about it. Note that the community has
highlighted it in their status reports, so it should be nothing
new/surprising. iirc (and I'm summarizing here, please correct me if I get
it wrong) the new committers have had varying levels of activity. Some more
active than others, but none that had reached ppmc status. Perhaps the team
should be more aggressive promoting folks, but I don't believe it's out of
exclusion or lack of understanding the Apache way.

That said what would the action item the community should take away from
this? As their mentor I'm not sure what advice i can give them. "add more
ppmc members"? Sounds like that's in the pipeline. Seems artificial to me.

Patrick


> Based on the information provided in this thread It looks to me like
> Sentry isn't operating according to items CO20, CO40, CS20 and CS50 of
> our maturity model [1].
>
>
> [1]
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>
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