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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: podlings and github
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:08:00 GMT
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Peter Ansell <> wrote:

> Does Apache use GitHub's "move" repository functionality that adds a
> redirect if the name changes once? If not, is it viable for the
> Commons RDF group to keep their original project (which contains
> directions on how to get to the current repository) until they
> graduate get a permanent location in the /apache/ namespace to
> minimise the number of broken links around the internet to this
> project?

As long as the old project is frozen and has a bold warning that it
represents the past, I doubt that it is a problem that it exists at

> This project, and others, may be concerned about both their likelihood
> of graduating from the incubator (requiring them to go back to their
> previous Github organisation), and the Apache policy on having two
> renames for their project, which damages their brand if people find
> broken links on the internet.

Whether or not they graduate is largely up to them.  Recent non-graduations
have fallen into two categories:

a) projects which just didn't continue

b) projects which insisted on things like GPL mandatory dependencies

Basically, neither kind of project *wanted* to be Apache projects. The
first kind didn't want anything enough to continue (I simplify, of course)
and the second kind didn't want to follow through on the Apache IP

Pretty much any project that continues to be vital, produces clean Apache
style releases, is willing to be careful about where their code comes from
and be open, friendly and inclusive can become an Apache project.

Maybe this project needs a long talk with somebody who has been around the
circuit a few times.  On the other hand, any project that has the mentors
that Commons RDF has should have ready access to Apache expertise.

Looking at the email archives just now, it looks to me like commons RDF is
finding it difficult to build a community and maintain any serious
momentum.  Seeing only a few emails or commits for months on end raises red
flags to me.  A project that peters out at Apache is likely to have petered
out anyway, however, so I don't see much for the original folks to worry

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