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From Gregory Chase <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] OpenMiracl for Incubation
Date Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:08:07 GMT
Having been through this twice now with "Pivotal GemFire" begatting "Apache
Geode" and "Pivotal HAWQ" becoming "Apache HAWQ"....

If the current owner intends to allow infringement on the MIRACL brand as a
policy by any user of Apache Miracl, then that should be ok.  In effect
they will be putting "MIRACL" into the public domain.

If the owner intends to license "MIRACL" for Apache's use only - how does
this extend to Apache's users?

For my company, we decided it was better to ensure the commercial
distribution and the Apache projects did not infringe on each others
brands.  And we have done both approaches:  suggest a new brand for Apache,
and give an existing brand to Apache and rebrand the commercial


On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Nick Kew <> wrote:

> On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 08:48 +0900, Brian Spector wrote:
> > Hi Alex, thank you for the suggestion, but from our point of view, as I
> > outlined below, we would disadvantage the project as a whole by not
> having
> > the MIRACL name in it.
> >
> > At the same time, I completely understand the concern that a company who
> > creates a product based on OpenMiracl might feel themselves disadvantaged
> > by having to state an attribution 'based on Apache OpenMiracl' while
> > MIRACL, the company, sells a product called Datacenter Cryptosystem will
> > also say 'based on Apache OpenMiracl'. We get that.
> If folks are uneasy about OpenMiracl, how far does that extend?
> Would (for example) a name taking the "Mira" stem be sufficiently
> distinct for those expressing concerns here?  For example,
> Mirabile (Latin pronunciation) kind-of offers an element of
> historic continuity through the linguistic association with
> the miracle.
> --
> Nick Kew
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Greg Chase

Director of Big Data Communities

Pivotal Software


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