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From Todd Lipcon <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal
Date Wed, 18 Nov 2015 02:19:22 GMT
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 04:53PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <>
> wrote:
> >
> > > So, you're saying that people were chosen to be listed or not as the
> > > contributors merely by the amount of the code they have contributed to
> the
> > > project. Am I reading this right?
> >
> > We've had this debate about committer cattle call additions many
> > times. The position that Todd is taking is completely reasonable. The
> > expectation that just about anybody can join a project during the
> > proposal phase is messed up and I wish that tradition had never caught
> That's not my point, Marvin. The people who contributed less than 20
> commits
> (hmm, why not 4 or a 107?) are still contributors. And in my opinion, they
> at
> least have to be invited to participate in the podling, if it is accepted
> by
> IPMC. So, I will re-phrase: "was an invitation to participate in the
> project
> extended to all contributors?".
> Shall it be done formally or by providing "Interested Party" is an
> implementation detail.
We haven't formally extended any invitation to these people to continue
participating in the project at the ASF. Those who are active in the
project I fully anticipate will continue to be active and work their way
towards committership. Others who contributed in the past but whom we
haven't seen in 12+ months are of course welcome to come back to the
project. In that case, I think it would be an easy vote to committership.

If anyone is interested in the project, feel free to edit the wiki and add
an "Interested Parties" section. I haven't seen that one before on other
proposals, and not sure what it accomplishes. The whole nature of the ASF
is that no explicit "invitations to participate" are necessary. Everyone is
by default invited to participate and contribute. To make that explicit,
though, I'll make sure to send out a note to all of our previous
contributors once we're accepted for incubation.

The reason that we elected to include the "active in the last 12 months"
was to avoid creating a project with a super-long list of employees of a
single company. Seeing such a list can be discouraging for new folks --
both because of the "wall of single employer" effect and because newcomers
to the community are likely to be confused why these people have been made
committers when they have never once participated inside the ASF.

If the IPMC at large feels that the above reasoning is inappropriate, we
can change the proposal to include a few more committers -- there's a small
handful of folks who made significant contributions to the project early on
that are no longer active. I don't imagine these people will end up
contributing or voting on releases, though, so it seems like an artificial
"stuffing" of the committer list.


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