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From Sravya Tirukkovalur <>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:13:21 GMT
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Joe Brockmeier <> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > Joe, has any of this conversation put your mind at ease about the
> > podling?
> I'm less concerned than I was, yes. I'm still not in +1 territory. I'm
> not entirely sure I'm out of -1 territory.
> Sentry has made progress in its time in the incubator, but I feel it's
> required a lot of prodding at each step of the way - to reporting on
> time, adding contributors*, making sure its incubation status page is
> filled out, etc. It's also had some problems with release process, but I
> don't hold that against any podling because our release process can be
> hard to get right.
> I would like to respectfully disagree here. As far as I can see all 7
committers for added organically. Without any prodding.

> But I view the podling as one that's concerned with releasing software,
> not growing community. I keep seeing references to "actively preventing"
> contributions - but I don't think that's a very high bar to clear. I
> want to see a podling actively working to make it possible to join and
> contribute.
> I'll note that I may see Sentry differently because I am a
> non-developer. The Jira-focused process may be adequate for folks who
> are primarily only focused on the release of software. It is not a
> particularly inviting or transparent process to anybody who might like
> to participate in Sentry in non-development roles. And I hope we care
> about contributors who will add value to Apache projects in
> non-development roles (documentation, marketing, translation, etc.).
> At any rate - I've said my piece, and I'll just reiterate that I don't
> think additional time is the answer. The signal I get from Sentry is
> that the podling feels it's ready to graduate, and they've indicated
> that they don't feel my suggestions are a "valid ask" - so I don't see
> much value in holding back a DISCUSSION and VOTE.
> Note, as I understand it the board "is unlikely" to approve a podling
> where a mentor is voting -1. While I have concerns, I also don't want to
> filibuster the process and just keep Sentry in Limbo. I'd appreciate
> input from other IPMC folks on best decorum (e.g. abstaining from the
> vote, stepping down as mentor) in this situation. If other folks share
> my concerns, the vote wouldn't pass. If I'm wrong, I don't feel I should
> hold it up single-handedly.
> * I would invite folks with access to go to Sentry's private list and
> look over discussions about adding new contributors, and discussions
> about the project in general.
> Best,
> jzb
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> Twitter: @jzb
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Sravya Tirukkovalur

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