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From Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:50:11 GMT
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2015 10:03 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> > ...If you read the graduation requirements it says nothing about adding
> PPMC
>> > as a strict requirement to graduation:
>> >
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
>> ...
>>
>> I agree but in the meantime we have
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>
> "we" don't have anything. ComDev has produced an interesting to way to look
> at projects. Possibly a metric. ... But not an agreed-upon system for the
> proper evaluation of a podling's health and community.

Correct. It is a tool, but not a requirement (at least not yet).
And since I repeatedly suggested this tool on this thread let me explain why.

Think of it as when you are asking somebody to review your code. If you
don't make it easy for reviewers -- don't expect them to bend over backwards
to make sense out of what you submitted. Doesn't mean you'll get a -1, but
don't expect a quick +1 either. Same deal with a maturity model: when the time
comes for a graduation vote, if you make it easy(er) for "reviewers"
to start forming
an opinion on whether the community is ready or not -- you will spend
less time arguing.

Personally I find maturity model template to be just that kind of a tool for me.

On the flip side -- not filling it out is not a blocker. It just
means, for example,
that *I* personally will have very little incentive to dig into the guts of a
community I don't know well to really find out all the same details that mentors
or community members could have communicated to me filling out the
maturity model template.

Thanks,
Roman.

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