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From Emmanuel Lécharny <>
Subject Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)
Date Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:26:33 GMT
Le 18/11/15 08:12, Todd Lipcon a écrit :
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny <>
> wrote:
>>> Except that there seems to be great disagreement among the Members as to
>>> whether RTC is somehow anti-Apache-Way.
>>> If you want to try to create an ASF-wide resolution that RTC doesn't
>> follow
>>> the Apache Way, and get the board/membership to vote on it, go ahead, but
>>> it confuses podlings who are new to the ASF when people espouse personal
>>> opinions as if they are ASF rules.
>> That is not the point.
>> The question is not to decide if C-T-R is The Apache Way over R-T-C. The
>> question is wether a project entering incubation with a selected R-T-C
>> mode is likely to exit incubation for the simple reason it will be very
>> hard for this project to grow its community due to this choice. It's
>> like starting a 100m race with a 20kb backpack on your shoulder...
> If you have any statistics that show this to be the case, I'd be very
> interested. RTC is the norm in basically every Apache project I've been a
> part of, many of which have thriving communities and are generally regarded
> as successful software projects.

I don't have stats. I don't know a lot of Apache Projects using R-T-C,
and the 5 incubating projects I have mentored haven't even mentionned
the matter at all : it was C-T-R from day zero for them.

I would be *very* surprised if more than a few Apache projects were to
use R-T-C mode...

And again, it's not really important here. The key is to know if you
want the project to be out of incubator quickly. From the community
building POV, I just think that using R-T-C will make the path way
longer... If you think it's not a problem, then fine.

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