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From Rich Bowen <>
Subject Re: Apache Metrics, Not Apache Humans
Date Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:26:38 GMT

On 11/15/2015 01:20 PM, Marko Rodriguez wrote:
> The Apache Way should be about metrics, not about philosophy as different paths lead
to the same mountain top <--- See! Is that random Buddhist saying that everyone just "believes"
even true? :) Get the human out of the loop!

I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords, however ...

Metrics are useful for early warnings, but are awful at actually
determining community health. I would encourage you to ask our friends
at Bitergia, Markmail, Black Duck, and so on, about measuring
communities, since they've spent a decade or more each on the science.
They'll all tell you the same thing - metrics are incredibly useful, but
should be treated with great caution, and always, always, always include
a human element in evaluating. Because numbers don't show the whole
picture. Many healthy communities have low activity from time to time,
or perhaps have community patterns that evade your particular measuring
techniques. And unhealthy communities often learn how to game the
measures, or are doing unhealthy things outside of the scope of what's
being measured.

It's a fascinating thought experiment, and, indeed we should always
strive to have better metrics, but we must be intelligent - and human -
in how we read those numbers. One of the things that separates the ASF
from GitHub or SourceForge, is that we do have a unifying philosophy,
and a community of humans that defend it.

Rich Bowen - - @rbowen - @apachecon

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