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From Branko ─îibej <>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:50:36 GMT
On 10.11.2015 16:00, Pierre Smits wrote:
> That is nice! Apache pages drawn up by a member of the Apache Software
> Foundation with the input from many  (both ASF members and others) and
> hosted/communicated through ASF means, and then saying that those 'are not
> Foundation'. And that by/through the fingers of a fellow board member....
> That doesn't help mitigating the confusion building.

The document is not a Foundation standard. ComDev is no closer to being
"the ASF" than, say, Bloodhound PMC.

Whilst I do find this attempt at a maturity model an interesting
experiment, I'm really, really uncomfortable with people pushing it as
some sort of golden standard for podlings (and, worse, TLPs). It's a
completely informal paper, yet I've already seen people cast doubts on
podling graduation with the excuse that some criterion of the model
wasn't met.

That kind of argument is totally out of line. The IPMC may decide to use
the model as a metric for podling compliance and so integrate it into
the Incubator policy[1]. Unless and until that happens, any attempt to
measure podlings against that bit of paper (other than for purely
recreational purposes) is rude at best.

-- Brane

[1] And even then it'd be open to scrutiny; paperwork for its own sake
is always suspect.

> Pierre Smits
> *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <>
>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Huh?  The development of this document,
>>> <
>>> was carried out on the dev community list over a significant period of
>>> time.  It even provides an account for
>> And that is the key part: written by the ComDev community. Not the
>> Foundation. I believe Brane shares my fear that the document will become a
>> de facto standard/requirement across the ASF.
>> Should mentors and podlines want to use it as a guide for things to
>> consider... great.
>> But some of us will push back, if it appears it is being used as a
>> yardstick, rather than a guide.
>> Cheers,
>> -g

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