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From Joe Brockmeier <>
Subject Private PPMC discussions and archives (was Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation)
Date Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:45:33 GMT
On 11/04/2015 03:55 PM, Sravya Tirukkovalur wrote:
> One question on discussing candidature of a person for PPMC on private:
> I know that private is only for PPMC, but I believe the new elected PPMC
> can always get the digest for older messages (or not?). If that is the case
> wouldn't it defeat the purpose of having these discussions on private?

New PPMC/PMC members *can* access private list archives where their
candidacy is discussed, absolutely.

And yes, this means that when they're added to the PPMC (or PMC, or as
an ASF Member) they can see where they've been discussed 'privately.'
So, when discussing this sort of thing, assume that eventually the
person you're discussing will be able to see it.

If the purpose were simply to do this out of sight of the prospective
PPMC member, then it would defeat the purpose.

However, AIUI, it serves a few additional purposes:

- It doesn't have an immediate impact on the project or person. Someone
who is contributing well but not quite ready for PPMC duties, for
example, may get immediately discouraged if they're discussed publicly
and found wanting.

- You don't wind up with a publicly searchable discussion of someone's
suitability (or lack thereof) that might turn up when someone google's a
person's name. So - it might hurt my feelings eventually to learn that
someone -1'ed me for some reason, but it shouldn't impact my job
prospects, etc.

But I recommend assuming that when you discuss anyone for PPMC (etc) on
a private list that the odds are they will eventually see it. I'm not a
fan of this, because I suspect it inhibits fully candid discussion.

On the flip side, I don't think PPMC folks should shy away from
objectively discussing folks and being willing to say "this person may
be a great PPMC member someday, but I don't think they are ready today.
Here's where I feel they need to improve." One hopes that our PPMC, PMC,
etc. folks can handle objective (if retroactive) feedback, and be happy
that they've since addressed concerns.

But if a person goes on a personal rant against someone who is later
added to the PPMC, then... they can probably expect to be dropped from
the new PPMC person's holiday card list.


Joe Brockmeier
Twitter: @jzb

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