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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)
Date Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:06:07 GMT
I see the essence of what it means to be a committer. Being trusted to both do the correct
action and be willing to listen objectively to criticism. In an CTR project it is clear to
me that the point where a project grants Committership should be the point where the PMC wants
to treat an individual's contribution as CTR rather than RTC. How does an RTC project make
THAT important decision?


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> On Nov 17, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Upayavira <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 06:01 PM, Rob Vesse wrote:
>>> On 17/11/2015 16:50, "Steve Loughran" <> wrote:
>>> If someone were to have some metrics of projects, the state of
>>> patches/pull requests would be a key issue.
>> Given a GitHub project generates statistics about the state of the Pull
>> Requests in the project e.g.
>> ./pr-stats apache hadoop
>> Fairly basic tool but should give you enough to gauge where things are
> One of the things that this conversation seems to miss, to me, is
> defining what "C" is.
> In some sense, C is simply the act of publishing a change. The change
> MUST be published before the review, otherwise review is, obviously,
> impossible (how can you review something you cannot see?)
> What's important, as I think Greg was saying earlier, is *how we relate
> to each other*. Do I need to ask for PERMISSION to finally push a change
> through, or do my colleagues trust me to do the right thing, knowing
> that I'll listen to their feedback, whether the review mechanism is a
> commit mailing list, a JIRA ticket or a pull request.
> Please define what you mean by CTR or RTC before diving into further
> discussions about their relative merit. Otherwise we'll get locked into
> yet another ongoing discussion that leads nowhere!
> Upayavira
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