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From Joe Brockmeier <>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:32:29 GMT
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Joe, has any of this conversation put your mind at ease about the
> podling?

I'm less concerned than I was, yes. I'm still not in +1 territory. I'm
not entirely sure I'm out of -1 territory. 

Sentry has made progress in its time in the incubator, but I feel it's
required a lot of prodding at each step of the way - to reporting on
time, adding contributors*, making sure its incubation status page is
filled out, etc. It's also had some problems with release process, but I
don't hold that against any podling because our release process can be
hard to get right. 

But I view the podling as one that's concerned with releasing software,
not growing community. I keep seeing references to "actively preventing"
contributions - but I don't think that's a very high bar to clear. I
want to see a podling actively working to make it possible to join and

I'll note that I may see Sentry differently because I am a
non-developer. The Jira-focused process may be adequate for folks who
are primarily only focused on the release of software. It is not a
particularly inviting or transparent process to anybody who might like
to participate in Sentry in non-development roles. And I hope we care
about contributors who will add value to Apache projects in
non-development roles (documentation, marketing, translation, etc.). 

At any rate - I've said my piece, and I'll just reiterate that I don't
think additional time is the answer. The signal I get from Sentry is
that the podling feels it's ready to graduate, and they've indicated
that they don't feel my suggestions are a "valid ask" - so I don't see
much value in holding back a DISCUSSION and VOTE. 

Note, as I understand it the board "is unlikely" to approve a podling
where a mentor is voting -1. While I have concerns, I also don't want to
filibuster the process and just keep Sentry in Limbo. I'd appreciate
input from other IPMC folks on best decorum (e.g. abstaining from the
vote, stepping down as mentor) in this situation. If other folks share
my concerns, the vote wouldn't pass. If I'm wrong, I don't feel I should
hold it up single-handedly.

* I would invite folks with access to go to Sentry's private list and
look over discussions about adding new contributors, and discussions
about the project in general. 


Joe Brockmeier
Twitter: @jzb

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