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From Joe Brockmeier <>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 22:23:45 GMT

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015, at 04:42 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <
> > wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Joe Brockmeier <> wrote:
> > > ...Sentry started with 24 committers/PPMC. It hasn't added any PPMC
> > members
> > > since its inception...
> >
> > If that's correct I'm -1 on graduating Sentry.
> >
> > and earlier he wrote:
> > > ..The model that Sentry is pursing may work very well *for the existing
> > > members of the podling.* In my opinion, its process is entirely too
> > > opaque to allow for interested parties outside of the existing podling
> > > and companies interested in Sentry development to become involved...
> >
> > Not having added any PPMC members seems to confirm that.
> >
> >
> Bertrand, imo this is a reasonable concern. I remember some discussion a
> while back on the sentry lists about it. Note that the community has
> highlighted it in their status reports, so it should be nothing
> new/surprising. iirc (and I'm summarizing here, please correct me if I
> get it wrong) the new committers have had varying levels of activity. Some
> more active than others, but none that had reached ppmc status. Perhaps the
> team should be more aggressive promoting folks, but I don't believe it's out
> of exclusion or lack of understanding the Apache way.

We generally shy away from discussing individuals on open lists w/r/t
"this person should/shouldn't be a PPMC member" type things, so I'm not
sure it'd be right to specifically point to any Sentry contributors as
an example.

I will say I can think of at least two Sentry contributors added since
Sentry entered incubation who seem just as active as other folks who
came in with the podling.  When you say "reached PPMC status" I'm not
sure there's a clear signal to me that they're less worthy than the
folks ushered in with the podling. 

You said it "sounds like" making more folks PPMC members is "in the
pipeline" - do you mean if Sentry graduates, or is there some other
discussion I've missed where that's being pondered?


Joe Brockmeier
Twitter: @jzb

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