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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Fri, 06 Nov 2015 17:34:49 GMT
I think there is a difference between what TLPs do and what the recommended approach for Podlings

My impression, based on limited podling experience, is that the default tends to be PPMC ==

Thanks for raising the notion of looking at why committers are *not* moved to the PMC of a
TLP after some period of time, though.  My question, as a PMC member, would be whether or
not we are holding the reins too tight at the expense of both community and sustainability.
 An useful danger sign, that.

 - Dennis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Reddin []
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 06:22
> To:
> Subject: Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and
> graduation
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Rich Bowen <> wrote:
> > On 11/05/2015 12:02 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> >> Committership is the right to do work on the project. PMC membership
> is the
> >> right to participate in governance.  People left in the nebulous
> state
> >> between
> >> committership and PMC membership for long periods of time more than
> likely
> >> will give up in frustration for not being trusted enough to govern
> their
> >> own work.
> >
> >
> > Most of the older projects at the Foundation do not have PMC ==
> > Committer. Notably, httpd. The notion that committers are
> automatically
> > PMC is a fairly new innovation. As it happens, it's an innovation that
> I
> > wholeheartedly support and recommend, but it's a minority of projects
> > that have this policy. If you follow board reports, you'll notice that
> > PMC additions and Committer additions are seldom coincident.
> In further support of Joe's point, for most of the projects I've been
> involved with, the PMC promotion was almost automatic and occurred
> within about 6 months of committership. The committer-only period was
> just a probationary period to make sure a person was not going to
> abuse his/her privileges. An invite to committership comes with an
> unspoken assumption that we want you to help govern the project, but
> let's start with giving you access. I don't know that I ever saw
> anyone stay as committer-only for an extended period of time.
> Greg
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