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From Atri Sharma <atri.j...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Concerted Proposal
Date Wed, 07 Oct 2015 08:29:45 GMT
Hi All,

I have posted proposal in Discuss thread.

Please provide your contributions there.

Regards,

Atri

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Atri Sharma <atri.jiit@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your opinion.
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I just wanted to state the fact that mentoring is not expected to take an
>> active role in technical questions.
>
>
> I agree for that and I understand that we are not looking for technical
> mentoring. However, if our mentors are wishing to help us in that manner,
> we will be more than happy.
>
> Moreover arguing that "bootstrapping
>> the existing code base and community into ASF will generate much more
>> interest" clearly shows an excessive fascination with the Apache brand.
>>
>
> I respectfully disagree. I think the motivation here is not attracting
> more people into the community using Apache brand but manage existing and
> future community using Apache processes. I believe that managing our
> community with the Apache way is a better way of handling the community and
> that is what we mean when we say that the community management process is
> easier and healthier with Apache way.
>
> For the visibility side, we believe that the biggest advantage Concerted
> will have is that it will have a chance to be directed and helped by big
> data projects which are end user targets for Concerted. The primary target
> for Concerted is to be support engine platform for big data projects and
> Apache Big Data projects are the biggest use cases that we see. Hence, we
> see the project as a liable candidate for ASF project and since we aim to
> have Concerted be in sync with needs and use cases for Apache Big Data
> projects, it seems logical to have Concerted as an ASF project early on and
> be able to start helping Apache Big Data projects. Community development in
> this case only means the potential direction or support project might get
> from Apache Big Data projects that might be interested in Concerted. I
> assure you that it is not a translation of excessive fascination with
> Apache brand for us. If we are incorrect please correct us.
>
>
>> In
>> the end you have to take into account that been a podling introduces quite
>> some overhead, which personally I don't find healthy in such very early
>> stage.
>>
>> But well, looks the proposal has enough support, so my opinion is just
>> that, an individual opinion. Go ahead with the proposal, and all the best!
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 10:51 AM, <nupurs@ingeniumsys.com> wrote:
>>
>> > As a member of Concerted community, I believe that acceptance into ASF
>> > Incubator is beneficial for Concerted especially in terms of community
>> > support. Being an independent project on github really does not help
>> when
>> > we want to build a healthy community of people interested in Concerted
>> and
>> > aiming to take Concerted to ultimate goal we have i.e. being the
>> primary in
>> > memory support framework for big data engines. I really feel that
>> > bootstrapping the existing code base and community into ASF will
>> generate
>> > much more interest, visibility and allow the community to be regulated
>> in a
>> > much better manner.
>> >
>> > Also, I agree with Atri on the fact that since our eventual goal is to
>> be
>> > supporting existing big data projects, working with them early on is a
>> > great way to improve our roadmap and get contributions from those
>> projects.
>> >
>> > As a person who has been revamping Concerted code base for a while now,
>> I
>> > believe that the existing code base is a great place to pick up the main
>> > development of Concerted.
>> >
>> > Nupur
>> >
>> >
>> > On 05/10/2015 02:09 PM, Atri Sharma wrote:
>> >
>> >> While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
>> >> github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it
>> is,
>> >> Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is
>> having
>> >> the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.
>> >>
>> >> I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a
>> much
>> >> higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better
>> >> alignment
>> >> with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the
>> >> ability
>> >> to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
>> >> building for each user project.
>> >>
>> >> The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
>> >> that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set
>> of
>> >> developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
>> >> better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then
>> allow
>> >> Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
>> >> eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data
>> engines
>> >> with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is
>> >> Apache
>> >> big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF
>> early
>> >> on.
>> >>
>> >> Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
>> >> management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other
>> >> ASF
>> >> projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they
>> want
>> >> to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
>> >> manage it in a much better manner.
>> >>
>> >> I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think
>> Apache
>> >> Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
>> >> comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
>> >> people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.
>> >>
>> >> Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project
>> >> like
>> >> Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current
>> >> aims
>> >> are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building
>> framework,
>> >> with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
>> >> code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
>> >> bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
>> >> framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF
>> big
>> >> data projects.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Atri
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <wikier@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the
>> role
>> >>> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at
>> github,
>> >>> and
>> >>> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the
>> project in
>> >>> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I
>> >>>> don't
>> >>>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a
>> >>>> problem.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Hi!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>> >>>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>> >>>> >    https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ConcertedProposal
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>> >>>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>> >>>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>> >>>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>> >>>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>> >>>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>> >>>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>> >>>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>> >>>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>> >>>> > and the state of technology.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Please help by chiming in.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks,
>> >>>> > Roman.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
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>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Sergio Fernández
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>> >>> Redlink GmbH
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>> >>>
>> >>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Sergio Fernández
>> Partner Technology Manager
>> Redlink GmbH
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>> e: sergio.fernandez@redlink.co
>> w: http://redlink.co
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Atri
> *l'apprenant*
>



-- 
Regards,

Atri
*l'apprenant*

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