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From Atri Sharma <>
Subject Re: Concerted Proposal
Date Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:39:57 GMT
While I do not disagree with the fact that the code base can evolve at
github, the situation here is a bit different. Preliminary though it is,
Concerted does have an existing code base. The bigger question is having
the code base evolve at a higher frequency with a wider community.

I think that if Concerted becomes a part of ASF Incubator, it has a much
higher chance of evolving into a wider product with a much better alignment
with the existing Apache big data ecosystem. Concerted provides the ability
to DIY big data in memory support engines, with a high degree of custom
building for each user project.

The reason why Concerted is proposed to become part of ASF Incubator is
that Concerted is a small project right now, with a roadmap and a set of
developers. Getting into ASF allows the Concerted project to have much
better visibility with existing big data projects, which will then allow
Concerted to be developed with more goals in mind. Please note that
eventual goal of Concerted is to be supporting existing big data engines
with on demand custom in memory support. Since the primary target is Apache
big data space, I think it makes sense to be bootstrapping into ASF early

Second, ASF will allow Concerted to have better community support and
management. As mentioned earlier, visibility and integration with other ASF
projects will allow those projects to contribute to Concerted if they want
to mold it. Also, being a part of ASF anyways helps build community and
manage it in a much better manner.

I think Roman put it aptly when he mentioned Apache Drill. I think Apache
Drill came to ASF Incubator with a goal and a community, and Concerted
comes with the same goal. We already have a small community of active
people, and who are excited at prospect of joining the Incubator.

Please also note that Concerted does not aim to become a large project like
Apache Spark (although that might change with time). Community current aims
are to become a lightweight in memory support engine building framework,
with a small but well managed community and code base. So, the existing
code base might actually be a great starting point for us to be
bootstrapped into ASF Incubator, build community and build the existing
framework into a much more mature project dedicated at supporting ASF big
data projects.




On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Sergio Fernández <> wrote:

> Well, I think what we should ask ourselves is if this is actually the role
> of ASF incubation. FMPOV the project will evolve much easier at github, and
> once the code base becomes a reality we can help mentoring the project in
> the Apache way. But this is just my personal opinion.
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
>> It looks like there is plenty of mentor-power left on the project. I don't
>> see why one mentor dropping out from a good and large group is a problem.
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > as some of you know, Atri and I have been
>> > discussing his Concerted Proposal lately:
>> >
>> >
>> > At this point I can no longer offer my mentorship
>> > services (I ended up quite overloaded as it is)
>> > and I feel it is only fair to Atri if I ask for help here.
>> >
>> > Consider this thread a pre-DICUSS. Concerted isn't
>> > what most of the Incubator proposals are these days.
>> > It is much more about promise of technology rather
>> > than something that exists today. In this it reminds
>> > me of Drill a great deal when it just got proposed -- mostly
>> > and idea. Not much of an existing code base or product.
>> >
>> > So I guess what I'm asking is an IPMC opinion on
>> > how to proceed with this given the mentor situation
>> > and the state of technology.
>> >
>> > Please help by chiming in.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roman.
>> >
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