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From Luke Han <luke...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Kylin from the Apache Incubator
Date Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:38:19 GMT
Thank you very much for your great feedback.

For the bylaws, personally I would like to have one to ensure the community
will
grow health and active. There's one draft will coming to PPMC first for
discussion which
I'm working on.

As my research, there are some projects have this section, like Hive,
Hadoop, Storm
but few are not.
And as checked the content, most of them are actually very similar, like
for the definition
of roles, vote process and decision making.

So I'm wondering should ASF, IPMC offer standard template for each podling
to have
by default? There's must different between projects but it will be easy for
such work
when graduating.

At least, I don't found anything about "bylaws" under the Incubator
Graduate Guide [1]
Should we update this guide with such content, or add recommendation?

[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html

Thanks.


Best Regards!
---------------------

Luke Han

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org> wrote:

> Agreed, it would be good to have this clarification. The vote is likely to
> proceed more smoothly.
>
> I'm in favor of graduation. I've been lurking over the past few months and
> the podling has been functioning well.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Maybe the podling should then elaborate on their choice of having it in
> the
> > request proposal, before it comes to a vote and it is still in.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
> > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:47 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Exactly my point. If it's intentional, leave it in, otherwise consider
> > > taking it out.
> > >
> > > As a (very recent) mentor, I see no indication that the Kylin community
> > > has plans to deviate.
> > >
> > > Background: When Storm was incubating I thought that creating bylaws
> was
> > > required, and we did so, for better or worse. In retrospect, I probably
> > > would have stuck with the defaults.
> > >
> > > -Taylor
> > >
> > > > On Oct 9, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the podling has a valid reason behind that choice. So let us
> not
> > > > chuck that out of the window because of other podlings not paying
> > > attention
> > > > to what they did.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Pierre Smits
> > > >
> > > > *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
> > > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> > > >
> > > >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:42 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree.
> > > >>
> > > >> It’s also worth discussing whether the “tasked with the creation
of
> a
> > > set
> > > >> of bylaws” section of the proposal is really needed.
> > > >>
> > > >> My understanding is that that section is not actually necessary, and
> > has
> > > >> proliferated among projects largely due to copying/pasting of other
> > > >> graduation proposals. I believe it is only necessary if a project
> > plans
> > > to
> > > >> deviate from the ASF standard ASF practices.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just something to consider.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Taylor
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Julian Hyde <jhyde@apache.org>
wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am a mentor of Kylin and I believe the project is ready to
> > graduate.
> > > >>> They have created a vibrant, open community and are conducting
> > > >>> business in the Apache Way.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> One proviso: Let's complete the name search before starting the
> IPMC
> > > >>> vote. It would be foolish to let that particular cart get in front
> of
> > > >>> the horse. I don't think that prevents us from discussing
> graduation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Julian
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Samant, Medha <msamant@ebay.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>> +1
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 10/9/15, 10:13 AM, "Adunuthula, Seshu" <sadunuthula@ebay.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> +1
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 10/7/15, 8:32 AM, "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I would be happy to see kylin graduate.
> > > >>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015 11:28, "Luke Han" <luke.hq@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The Kylin community and project made significant
advances
> during
> > > the
> > > >>>>>>> incubating (from Nov 2014) and
> > > >>>>>>> believes it is ready to graduate as a top-level
project.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The Apache Kylin is very active. The PPMC doubled
in size
> (added
> > 6
> > > >>>>>>> committers and 2 mentors) and
> > > >>>>>>> increased diversity in the past year. Released
3 version in the
> > > past
> > > >> 6
> > > >>>>>>> months. There were presentations about Kylin
> > > >>>>>>> at most of the big conferences of the world (including
> > > Strata+Hadoop
> > > >>>>>>> World
> > > >>>>>>> London, Hadoop Summit San Jose,
> > > >>>>>>> ApacheCon EU, Big Data Technology China, Database
Technology
> > > >> Conference
> > > >>>>>>> China) and some meetups (Bay Area,
> > > >>>>>>> Beijing and one is coming in this weekend in Shanghai),
and
> many
> > > >> talks
> > > >>>>>>> around the world.
> > > >>>>>>> The dev mailing list is growing very month, about
500+ topics
> per
> > > >> month
> > > >>>>>>> now.
> > > >>>>>>> The community created 1000+ JIRA tickets, many
patches from
> > > >>>>>>> contributors/committers have been merged into
code base.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> A vote passed unanimously on the dev@ list (27
+1 votes).
> Please
> > > >> find
> > > >>>>>>> below
> > > >>>>>>> references to the graduation preparation artifacts:
> > > >>>>>>> * discussion on dev list [1]
> > > >>>>>>> * vote thread [2]
> > > >>>>>>> * podling name search (still in progress) [3]
> > > >>>>>>> * incubation status [4]
> > > >>>>>>> * proposed resolution below
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> We believe Apache Kylin is ready to become a top-level
project
> > and
> > > if
> > > >>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> IPMC agree we will move to a formal vote.
> > > >>>>>>> There are a few more items to be updated on the
project status
> > page
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>>>> others during the next couple of days.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Many thanks to the mentors and the IPMC for the
support,
> > > >>>>>>> Luke Han (on behalf of the Apache Kylin PPMC)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> [1] http://s.apache.org/KylinDisGraduate
> > > >>>>>>> [2] http://s.apache.org/KylinGraduateVote
> > > >>>>>>> [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-86
> > > >>>>>>> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/kylin.html
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Apache Kylin top-level project resolution:
> > > >>>>>>> ===============================
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it
to be in the best
> > > >>>>>>>      interests of the Foundation and consistent
with the
> > > >>>>>>>      Foundation's purpose to establish a Project
Management
> > > >>>>>>>      Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
> > > >>>>>>>      open-source software, for distribution at
no charge to the
> > > >>>>>>>      public, relative to distributed and scalable
OLAP engine
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project
Management
> > > >>>>>>>      Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache
Kylin
> Project",
> > > >>>>>>>      be and hereby is established pursuant to
Bylaws of the
> > > >>>>>>>      Foundation; and be it further
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the Apache Kylin Project be
and hereby is
> > > >>>>>>>      responsible for the creation and maintenance
of
> open-source
> > > >>>>>>>      software related to distributed and scalable
OLAP engine;
> > > >>>>>>>      and be it further
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President,
Kylin" be
> and
> > > >>>>>>>      hereby is created, the person holding such
office to serve
> > at
> > > >>>>>>>      the direction of the Board of Directors as
the chair of
> the
> > > >>>>>>>      Apache Kylin Project, and to have primary
responsibility
> for
> > > >>>>>>>      management of the projects within the scope
of
> > responsibility
> > > >>>>>>>      of the Apache Kylin Project; and be it further
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately
below be and
> > > >>>>>>>      hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
members of
> the
> > > >>>>>>>      Apache Kylin Project:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Dayue Gao <gaodayue at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Jason Zhong <zhongjian at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Julian Hyde <jhyde at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Luke Han <lukehan at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Henry Saputra <hsaputra at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Hongbin Ma <mahongbin at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Hua Huang <hhuang at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Owen O'Malley <omalley at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz at apache
dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Qianhao Zhou <qhzhou at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Shaofeng Shi <shaofengshi at apache
dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Song Yi <yisong at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Ted Dunning <tdunning at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Xu Jiang <jiangxu at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Yang Li <liyang at apache dot org>
> > > >>>>>>>       * Yerui Sun < sunyerui at apache dot
org>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
Luke Han
> > > >>>>>>>      be appointed to the office of Vice President,
Kylin, to
> > serve
> > > >>>>>>>      in accordance with and subject to the direction
of the
> Board
> > > of
> > > >>>>>>>      Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation
until death,
> > > >>>>>>>      resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
or
> > until
> > > >>>>>>>      a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Kylin Project
be and
> > hereby
> > > >>>>>>>      is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws
intended to
> > > >>>>>>>      encourage open development and increased
participation in
> > the
> > > >>>>>>>      Kylin Project; and be it further
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Kylin Project
be and
> > hereby
> > > >>>>>>>      is tasked with the migration and rationalization
of the
> > Apache
> > > >>>>>>>      Incubator Kylin podling; and be it further
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining
to the Apache
> > > >>>>>>>      Incubator Kylin podling encumbered upon the
Apache
> Incubator
> > > >>>>>>>      PMC are hereafter discharged.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
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> Best regards,
>
>    - Andy
>
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)
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