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From Chris Douglas <cdoug...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:03:06 GMT
What problem does this solve?

This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral,
and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it
does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify
how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing those
definitions to float, this discussion would be more productive if it
were about some concrete problems for which there is evidence. Yet
another thread of rude responses to uncivil accusations is
unproductive, even if it is an IPMC tradition. -C

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Incubator folks,
>
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
>
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> status.
> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission
> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> (company or original project community)
>
> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
>
> This would essentially mean:
>
> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
>
> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
>
>
> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> mentoring if adopted.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel
>
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