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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:34:24 GMT
I’m -1 on on this.  The whole premise of the ASF is that it is a meritocracy and that volunteers
at various “levels” of the organization have attained their status because they are trustworthy.
 Without this premise, the ASF falls apart.

Finally, it’s not clear to me that this addresses the problem of MIA mentors.  If they were
supposedly tied in some manner to the incubation and graduation of a podling,  then they are
definitely active during its incubation; I have no problem with that because in my book, they
are trustworthy.

I’ve made proposals to solve the problems listed below, the causes of which are, imo, volunteerism
and a free ride into a project and its PMC.  My proposal was after 3 missed votes, the mentor
is automatically removed with simple no-fuss reinstatement procedures should the mentor wish
to redeem themselves.  Mentors cannot stay with the podling when it graduates.


> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <> wrote:
> Hi Incubator folks,
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> status.
> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission
> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> (company or original project community)
> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
> This would essentially mean:
> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> mentoring if adopted.
> With regards,
> Daniel
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