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From Greg Trasuk <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:38:46 GMT
Hi Daniel:

Discussion intertwined below…


Greg Trasuk

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <> wrote:
> Hi Incubator folks,
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> status.

This requirement would seem to be against the idea that we participate in Apache as individuals,
rather than as employees/representatives of some company.  If there is a case where a member
appears to be representing their company’s interest rather than the Foundation’s interest,
shouldn’t that be dealt with in itself?

> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission

Could you elaborate on “beyond the general Apache mission”?  You probably have some concrete
examples in mind, and I’m sure we don’t want to start dissecting those examples rather
than your overall suggestion, but personally, I’m not sure what you mean.

> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> (company or original project community)

That suggestion would seem to preclude a knowledgable insider who happens to be an Apache
member from helping out with incubating a project.  Which seems kind of inefficient.

> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
> This would essentially mean:
> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> mentoring if adopted.
> With regards,
> Daniel
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