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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 23:31:42 GMT
On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:36PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a
> policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive?

"We can't just stay on a side and wait, we should do something!" - sounds all
too familiar, eh?

> Yes, I am in a way implying that some mentors are, perhaps, not neutral
> in their work. I will not back it up with specific names or contexts, as
> I don't want to take a trip to lawsuit town for things I cannot back up
> with publicly available information.
> 
> I don't find this to be uncivil accusations - can you outline a specific
> segment that you find uncivil? I am proposing a set of basic rules -
> which is naturally up for discussion and improvement - that would
> potentially alleviate us from having some nasty discussions - whether
> they be public or private - about the neutrality and honesty of
> recommendations, and hopefully ensure we have a more leveled playing
> field in the incubator.
> 
> I'll stop here, as my eyesight is playing a trick on me today and not
> allowing me to see what I type.
> 
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
> On 10/09/2015 08:03 PM, Chris Douglas wrote:
> > What problem does this solve?
> > 
> > This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral,
> > and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it
> > does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify
> > how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing those
> > definitions to float, this discussion would be more productive if it
> > were about some concrete problems for which there is evidence. Yet
> > another thread of rude responses to uncivil accusations is
> > unproductive, even if it is an IPMC tradition. -C
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Incubator folks,
> >>
> >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> >> incubating podlings:
> >>
> >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> >> status.
> >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission
> >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> >> (company or original project community)
> >>
> >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
> >>
> >> This would essentially mean:
> >>
> >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> >> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
> >>
> >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> >> mentoring if adopted.
> >>
> >> With regards,
> >> Daniel
> >>
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