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From Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Mentor neutrality policy
Date Fri, 09 Oct 2015 15:35:52 GMT
It seems to me that the negatives of your proposed policy outweigh the positives.

Presumably the goal is to prevent mentors from making biased decisions due to conflicts of
interest. There are other approaches to solving CoI, such as declaring conflicts of interest
and, Apache’s current approach, to trust mentors to “wear multiple hats”.

A more pressing problem, in my opinion, is absentee mentors. Your proposed changes would make
that problem a good deal worse, by eliminating from the pool of possible mentors those people
who have the most knowledge about the subject area and motivation to help the project succeed.

I suggest that we look at “conflict of interest” as a whole, ascertain whether it is a
significant problem and if so, consider other solutions to it.

Julian

 
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Incubator folks,
> 
> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for
> incubating podlings:
> 
> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation
> status.
> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or
> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission
> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code
> (company or original project community)
> 
> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or
> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty
> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind
> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement.
> 
> This would essentially mean:
> 
> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is
> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote
> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement.
> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot
> mentor it nor vote for/against it.
> 
> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is
> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind.
> 
> 
> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would
> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator
> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential
> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of
> mentoring if adopted.
> 
> With regards,
> Daniel
> 
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