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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: ODF Toolkit may need help
Date Sat, 05 Sep 2015 09:28:31 GMT
If the podling *has* cleared all IP, then I could see allowing it. But we
certainly don't want improper IP residing in the Attic. These aren't Apache
projects until graduation, so don't really belong. I can see releases
strengthening the argument for archival.

Henri should be able to clarify.

Cheers,
-g
On Sep 5, 2015 3:35 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

> I recollect seeing a retiring podling with releases go to the attic. If
> that is not correct or it was an exceptional case then thanks for the
> correction.
>
> What would be done with domain names? The podling came in with the domain
> name offtoolkit.org. What happens to that?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The Attic is for Apache projects. Podlings are simply retired/removed.
> >> On Sep 4, 2015 9:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 5:12 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Rob,
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir <rob@robweir.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now.  Last month
> they
> >>>>> filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback on
the
> >>>> mailing
> >>>>> list.  They have remained partially active throughout the 4 years,
> but
> >>>> from
> >>>>> what I can tell suffering a bit in community growth.  I'd like to
> seek
> >>>>> input from the incubator on how to potentially resolve this and
maybe
> >> get
> >>>>> help for this podling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am the mentor who did not sign off last month.  You may have noticed
> >>>> that the podling has been filing nearly identical reports for some
> >>>> time now.   I'd sum up accomplishments to date as:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) We've done a few podling releases.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) IP review is in good shape
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Community gets along well, no significant frictions
> >>>>
> >>>> 4) Community has added new committers outside the original PPMC, but
> >>>> has also lost its original corporate-sponsored developers.
> >>>>
> >>>> 5) The code is being used, as seen by incoming traffic on users list
> >>>> and occasional patch submissions
> >>>
> >>> I have noticed that.  Has the podling been made aware that the report
> >>> shouldn't be a copy and paste, and that stagnating growth is probably
> >> not a
> >>> good sign?  It would help to explain why their report wasn't signed off
> >> on.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These are all good steps towards graduation.  However, the community
> >>>> thinks, and I tend to agree, that the activity level is too low to
> >>>> sustain a TLP.   If we were able to attract another 2 or 3 active
> >>>> developers we would be in great shape.  As mentor I've given advice
> >>>> when asked, and when I thought needed.  But I'm not standing there
> >>>> with a whip and a megaphone telling them what to do.   I don't think
> >>>> that makes a sustainable community.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think shuffling the code around within Apache, to another
> >>>> project (or Podling) really solves anything.  The Attic is one option,
> >>>> but my guess is that would end the podling but not the (albeit small)
> >>>> community.  They would probably just set up on github and continue
> >>>> with the same pace of activity, with a lighterweight process, outside
> >>>> of Apache.  So, personally, I don't think the Attic would be the death
> >>>> of the ODF Toolkit.
> >>>
> >>> The attic should be considered only as a last stitch effort, all other
> >>> attempts at resolving the podling have been tried and failed.
> >>
> >> Nothing stops anyone from forking the podling to another location. The
> >> incubator would need to do something with the code. That would be to
> put it
> >> in the attic as an archive, as not maintained any longer.
> >>
> >> This is decision for the community such as it is to make.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
> >>>>
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