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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Should Apache VOTEs be in a first-come, first-serve queue?
Date Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:06:57 GMT
That was a tour de force, Rob.  Very well said.  I'm glad that
contributors from other podlings seem to be reading along.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:17 AM, Rob Vesse <> wrote:

> On 15/09/2015 03:41, "Marko Rodriguez" <> wrote:

>>I did my part for TinkerPop today. Again, I don't care about
>>social/software infrastructure -- *yawn*. I'm tired from battle and must
>>rest up for the next release -- sharpen my weapons and strengthen my
>>armor. Freeeeeeeeeedom from Incubation!
> If this thread genuinely reflects your attitude to the ASF then I expect
> you may find yourself in for a somewhat contentious graduation vote.

There are surely other people who get by within Apache with a more
transactional attitude, but they generally keep their heads down and
you only notice when their spittle flies at Infra or something like
that.  It's unusual to be confronted so forthrightly.

And what's especially striking is that if the predictability of
incubating release votes were really the problem, a solution exists
and was given upthread. Why not just say "thanks, we'll do that next
time -- the extra work is no problem" or "thanks but it might be
overkill since pinging worked" and move on?  Why instead plant a flag
in the ground asserting a "social contract" which is inappropriately
narrow for a volunteer-driven Apache project?

With expectations having been set, to what extent should the
Foundation anticipate an ongoing dispute over that "social contract"
after TinkerPop graduates?  Are the emails on this thread
representative of the wider TinkerPop community?  If not, are there
others within that community who have sufficient political capital to
speak out in contradiction of a strong core developer and assert
control of their project?

Marvin Humphrey

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