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From Niall Pemberton <>
Subject Re: Reform of Incubator
Date Tue, 11 Aug 2015 23:43:04 GMT
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Branko ─îibej <> wrote:

> On 04.08.2015 18:12, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > What about the Ignite thread was "unfortunate"? That it was a bit
> > heated at times, or just the fact that there was disagreement? I fear
> > that there's too much bias towards +1'ing things even when folks have
> > legitimate concerns.
> Heated and disagreement are not a problem. The problem I see are all the
> people who know nothing about the day-to-day life of the podling, then
> start stating conditions for their graduation votes that have nothing to
> do with either published ASF policy or published Incubator guidelines.
> I'm not going to state names but it's fairly obvious from the archives
> who I'm talking about.
> This kind of behaviour not only wastes time but puts mentors in an
> impossible position: on the one hand, we have to sink a lot of time into
> guiding the podling (sometimes with a cluebat), and on the other we have
> to defend the podling and our own integrity from the peanut gallery.

I can't see what the problem is with the discussion over the Ignite
graduation. Seems to me the podling took away some positive actions from
that debate and at the end of the day they still graduated. So best of both
worlds. Going to a model where only the mentors get to say anything to the
podling would mean they would have missed out on that. Its not the Ignites
that worry me (because they seemed like a clued up community) - but more
projects that are less than proactive about embracing how ASF projects
should work combined with mentors that are not so engaged - we could end up
with a rubber stamped graduation of a project not working how it should.


> No wonder there are never enough active mentors to go around; who in
> their right mind would want to spend their free time to go through this
> rigmarole twice?
> -- Brane
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