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From Arvind Prabhakar <>
Subject Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)
Date Mon, 03 Aug 2015 15:48:14 GMT
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:05 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <>
> wrote:
> > ...who else thinks the movement towards empowering
> > PPMCs and making IPMC very much like the board makes sense?...
> How is that different from the status quo where a podling with active
> mentors can have their releases +1ed by their mentors, requiring
> minimal interaction with the IPMC?

In spirit it may not be very different, but in practice it is the polar
opposite. As someone who has worked through the incubation of a few
projects both as an initial committer as well as a mentor, I feel that the
biggest weakness of the current Incubator is it's very strength of being
all inclusive of different interpretations/understandings of the goals of
incubation. With every IPMC member having their own close-to-heart issues
and inclinations, along with their good intentions, I don't think we are
doing very much to help the podlings understand the principals of Apache
Way or learn self-governance that works best for their communities.
Instead, we often end up prescribing things which go beyond the charter of
the Incubator, just to establish a sense of comfort in ensuring we have met
our responsibilities.

Therefore, I too favor the idea of a smaller, well-defined, tactical IPMC
a) establishes a clear objective criteria for growth and graduation
including the necessary processes and policies,
b) oversees the execution of these processes and policies via measurable
means, and,
c) has the final say in the graduation of the podling

...will be a big step in the right direction. This does look more like the
way our board is organized. Arguably, this IPMC could still enlist the help
of member/mentors but will be doing so without granting the decision making
privileges to them.

Arvind Prabhakar

> -Bertrand
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