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From Arvind Prabhakar <>
Subject Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)
Date Tue, 04 Aug 2015 22:02:01 GMT
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Joe Brockmeier <> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, at 07:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote:
> > That said, I have personally been in positions where I have seen IPMC
> > members ask - and even demand things at times - that I feel are
> > unreasonable requests for the podling. The reason I do not challenge
> > those is because I feel that their asks are rooted in good intentions,
> and that
> > the IPMC in its current form encourages such involvement and authority.
> > At the same time I also worry about the state of the podling and what
> this
> > does to their way of thinking about Apache and the Incubator.
> Can you give an example (possibly abstracted to protect the guilty)?

Sorry if I implied any guilt/blame here, I don't think there is any really.
I can only relate to my personal experiences as a committer working on
projects that went through Incubation, and also as a mentor/observer of
various other projects going through similar situations. In those
situations, I have struggled with the fine line between desirable vs
required behavior of the podling. Since the distinction is fairly
subjective, and the Incubator is generally inclined towards debate and
empowerment of mentors, the podlings often get caught in the cross-fire.
Further, when there are examples of TLPs that exist without the behavior in
question, it seems hypocritical on the surface - but to me implies that
different communities develop their own micro-cultures that work for them.

I therefore think that it will be far more effective to have a tactical
IPMC that targets the minimal set of processes to be followed by the
podling, and allows it to organically grow itself and it's culture.

Arvind Prabhakar

> I'm very aware that I don't have as much experience as other folks
> mentoring, and would be grateful if podlings (politely) pushed back if I
> am in fact asking for / demanding anything that is not reasonable.

> Best,
> jzb
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> Twitter: @jzb
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