From general-return-50483-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Jul 24 02:34:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD783183B4 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2664 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jul 2015 02:34:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2480 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jul 2015 02:34:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2468 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jul 2015 02:34:19 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:34:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 1EF19D734F for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:34:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.879 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.879 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wOocbxl3_Qii for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f182.google.com (mail-ig0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 0614E24972 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igvi1 with SMTP id i1so25473226igv.1 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:33:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=IqMZ2jnZjC7G6mguEbOGje/x8F68q98leclhmCsG46c=; b=PjNzCQ9fRUlSy8yl6UFv16SlHWetLvUaK34MyL5QD8GA2c7+lWk8dX5UvYfhAv7Qso nx9JgtrpLUYZjuTvodMH4zb93Czi0eTFOLxgtSnfK+D/nMGck9QKkyH6tpTMmsUTz1Uz 2Ne11450c2j0SZROY2F3IblLBrw+549i6f54S3xbcgAu79SVG1H5XwnNVkSKvUpv1X08 jB8ZVxoKqOpBCyiM64WZjBqHfRaFYK6o/mvtiYQQnRdlqmD2IWFquoPmfSWvXrHz8rMP JxTi9SiGJ+Zjz/Vyv8XkloPJSvnJhWzcf4u7qcNCj4hWH60vZJ7B92w5i9vNTRQlxWIq YLCA== X-Received: by 10.50.80.19 with SMTP id n19mr2395311igx.30.1437705212392; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:33:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.3.71 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:33:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55B1A0A0.6010805@apache.org> References: <55AF42D1.50801@apache.org> <8EDEABC0-28A5-4DAB-844C-CCB484E97FF9@apache.org> <55B0061A.3000707@apache.org> <20150722231648.GU28615@boudnik.org> <20150723011109.GD4306@tpx> <55B09591.60700@apache.org> <55B1A0A0.6010805@apache.org> From: Ted Dunning Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01494b6879fb4f051b95d4f0 --089e01494b6879fb4f051b95d4f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think that such implementation requires hand-holding either. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Branko =C4=8Cibej wrote= : > On 23.07.2015 18:26, Ted Dunning wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Branko =C4=8Cibej = wrote: > > > >>>> Concerns have been raised about the people behind the actual commits= , > >> that > >>>> seems to be left open ? > >>> I am not sure about this one: why there's a concern that people behin= d > >> commits > >>> aren't the same ppl as making the fixes? Am I reading this right? > >> I think there are a couple things to consider here: > >> > >> 1. Off-list discussions, and commits made based on such discussions: > >> There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The resultant code is > >> public and can be reviewed. If the reasons behind a change are not > >> clear, well, it's up to the devs to document the code and/or expla= in > >> on the dev@ list; but forbidding off-list discussions implies > >> forbidding hackathons and ApacheCons, for example. > > > > My question was more to do with losing historical detail by squashing > > commits. Squashing commits has the tendency to hide contributions as > > well. I think we have a good answer for that. > > I'd rather not state my opinion about squashing commits here; it's not > printable. > > > As far as off-list discussions are concerned, this is still a very big > > issue for me. Off-list discussions and design work is not forbidden, b= ut > > it must be reflected back to the mailing list. > > I agree in principle but have to object to the "must": it's "should". > > Obviously it's good practice to post the outcome of offline chats to the > dev@ list for further discussion. On the other hand, I've not seen any > major feature appear in the Ignite code base without dev@ list discussion= . > > > With Ignite, I worry that such discussions are happening (they must be, > by > > geography and time zone alone) but are not being reflected back to the > > mailing list or to the JIRA. It is not even clear when a bug is closed > > whether there was a code fix or not. > > I've put my thoughts on Jira usage into another post. > > -- Brane > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > --089e01494b6879fb4f051b95d4f0--