From general-return-50356-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jul 21 20:32:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DED018E00 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 49398 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2015 20:32:16 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 49199 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2015 20:32:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 49187 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2015 20:32:16 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:32:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 8997AC0044 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:32:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.213 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.213 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URI_HEX=1.313] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SGRczJZbgQ-T for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 3646620D14 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibxm9 with SMTP id xm9so71981685wib.1 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:30:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MOGp0cRKrle7Vxx4jfyf0DIquPYhFwtuLtfliuDhdgY=; b=B0M+4ILeA62SP1wMOZnRZmjoZv0iA1dDRuOPmlJOINvBTtBZYpgNpHcMN9UomSO6P6 95k6HdAHHN1yayIbAgKIPdPX5nqK4SKYPRLdIyt8EU3uxk6+ZH/UY658LU/vuDinFlvK rLdL5XoGaz5unPPCQDI5V7NLQaj9njwxpkcSWE20+1lMbbxGBLcaAh6X2hvgAGfwFGwx n0wrx6HCHPF8gQNpIRf0Nqvs7NNgjIF2VtCrsSYc7+LodmwAu/ap/UkMcoyuEFwmiS5R jy3OyeaoVBNYPxRMx7Vcsfci+ujgUFwuJMnOPKYLyH+mfvBLEFTafyFYNIN+nqXRintZ IhKg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.184.140 with SMTP id eu12mr69247865wjc.78.1437510627927; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.201.135 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:30:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150721185311.GC28615@boudnik.org> References: <20150721185311.GC28615@boudnik.org> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:30:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator From: Pierre Smits To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacc2c056aab2051b68862a --047d7bacc2c056aab2051b68862a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to nowhere. If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman and yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of intended project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows to 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither regarding healthiness. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list for a > number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back in > 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who want > to look it up in the archives MessageId is > 73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com): > > [quote] > There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior > requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. > We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a > diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure > out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). > I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... > and I have no cycles to spare. > > A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment > status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would > create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. > [/quote] > > Regards, > Cos > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > > It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation > > (Gridgrain). > > > > Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and independec= e? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > dsetrakyan@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < > amareshwari@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the > automated > > > > and managed flow of information between systems." > > > > > > > > I dont see any such on project website - > > > > http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ > > > > Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3= CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > . > > > > You might want to correct it. > > > > > > > > > > Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding t= he > > > > description > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Amareshwari > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Apache Incubator, > > > > > > > > > > At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established > > > > consensus > > > > > and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing > > > > > graduation to TLP. > > > > > > > > > > Vote thread: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apach= e-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html > > > > > > > > > > Summary of the vote results: > > > > > +1 (non-binding) =3D 14 > > > > > > > > > > 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) > > > > > 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) > > > > > 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) > > > > > 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) > > > > > 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) > > > > > 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) > > > > > 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) > > > > > 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) > > > > > 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) > > > > > 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) > > > > > 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) > > > > > 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) > > > > > 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) > > > > > 14. Milap Wadwa > > > > > > > > > > We=E2=80=99d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establi= sh a > consensus > > > > > within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. > > > > > > > > > > Below is our proposed resolution: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) > > > > > > > > > > SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP > > > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > > > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > > > > > the public, related to the automated and managed flow of > > > > > information between systems. > > > > > > > > > > Should be: > > > > > > --------- > > > "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance, > > > integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and > transacting > > > on large-scale data sets in real-time" > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > > > > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", > > > > > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > > > > > Foundation; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is > > > > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > > > > > related to the automated and managed flow of information > > > > > between systems and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" = be > > > > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > > > > > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > > > > > of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary > responsibility > > > > > for management of the projects within the scope of > > > > > responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it furthe= r > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > > > > > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > > > > > Apache Ignite Project: > > > > > > > > > > Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org) > > > > > Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org) > > > > > Branko =C4=8Cibej (brane@apache.org) > > > > > Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org) > > > > > Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org) > > > > > Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org) > > > > > Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org) > > > > > Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org) > > > > > Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org) > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org) > > > > > Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org) > > > > > Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org) > > > > > Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org) > > > > > Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org) > > > > > Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org) > > > > > Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org) > > > > > Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org) > > > > > Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org) > > > > > Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org) > > > > > Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org) > > > > > Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org) > > > > > Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org) > > > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that > > > > > Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice Presiden= t, > > > > > Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the > > > > > direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the > > > > > Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > > > > > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; > > > > > and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is > > > > > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > > > > > encourage open development and increased participation in the > > > > > Apache Ignite Project; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby > > > > > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apach= e > > > > > Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further > > > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > > > > Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > > > > > Project are hereafter discharged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > --047d7bacc2c056aab2051b68862a--