From general-return-50503-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Sat Jul 25 20:29:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24B5117E9D for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 51438 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jul 2015 20:29:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 51207 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jul 2015 20:29:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 51195 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jul 2015 20:29:23 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:29:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id AE0D2C0846 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:29:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.108 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.108, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VJpdIqOGnMGn for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f195.google.com (mail-ie0-f195.google.com [209.85.223.195]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 069B443DD9 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecwi11 with SMTP id wi11so1222264iec.3 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nUYjF8WcigywfckGy6yAL5fgO0GJLNSB0vjxvlsq8Fs=; b=ES1KunDd3kPh3mdggumBUJmCxU9Pg80VrZzo/cCG69X4pX++lWN74qVbHgKjyfE4oD G5Jk4iw3EETwoS9dzTShzKe0FPo77XvhecB585+/1jzMXGQqJbNibqWZbsYmIee6tNML hB/utK8ys1ghx4lt70RNU1RS1t6vDWAdmOW7wFlfNMA6u78BYQJm7ayx0VrLBDu43On+ 48WQgQ5taWKkCjbq7iKtGI4UC06Vl45mXZ++hQ+K3jgml0y4NT7ZgqT+PR70tfjMG7zl HubN4H1XW8pTCfVIgeLfMjs/HPaJkzUwb/jEKCvsOuP84KQ8umAu4AQMaIj5Axu9J5Bn EwYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.34.75 with SMTP id i72mr30413977ioi.56.1437856070141; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: shaposhnik@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.170.10 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55B35279.9000004@apache.org> References: <92B407C5-7F43-448C-B098-47435AE310F6@boudnik.org> <20150724190058.GM30506@boudnik.org> <55B35279.9000004@apache.org> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 13:27:50 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MnhUqKzXIsyjh8fyC6tZyRj5SLU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator From: Roman Shaposhnik To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Branko =C4=8Cibej wrote= : > On 24.07.2015 21:00, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: >> An an active mentor of the podling I do support the graduation. The last= , to >> my knowledge, concern expressed was about insufficient open discussions = of the >> new features on the dev@ and that has been addressed by [1] >> >> WRT your observation: I do think the diversity part in the graduation >> requirement is moot and, as this discussion shows, quite counter-product= ive. I >> will start a separate [DISCUSS] about reconsidering its presence in the >> guidelines. >> >> [1] http://s.apache.org/vYK > > Seconded. Makes three of us. As a mentor, I fully support graduation of this podling. Thanks, Roman. P.S. Also, after going through the thread, I still maintain that I have not= hing to add to what I've already said wrt. perception on what diversity requirem= ent really means. As somebody who's been with the IPMC for almost 5 years now I would like to make an observation: we seem to get confused from time to t= ime on what the real purpose and status of the IPMC is. Perhaps this correspond= s to the waves of new folks joining us in which case I'm totally happy with us educating them on those things (I just hope it doesn't turn into an "Eternal Septembe= r"). Perhaps instead of trying to forever hunt for yet another corner case in an attempt to fully document the incubation process we all could just remember that: #1 our ultimate mission is to help the ASF board not waste their time wi= th communities that, if looked at as a TLP, would surely trigger a board action of some kind. #2 The #1 goal is achieved via mentorship. In fact mentorship is not even required as the case of Zest (and hopeful Yetus soon) demonstrated. #3 When mentorship is required IPMC entrusts the mentors to guide the project to graduation. It should should let them do that. #4 IPMC should NOT be confused with an ASF project. This is incoherent given its size and composition. The Incubator is a curriculum, not a communit= y. In short, I'd like to see IPMC behave more like the ASF board, and provide an effective oversight over the mentors not micro management. This is a tough balance, I know. Yet, I'm sure that folks here in general mean well and are capable of striking that very balance. Thanks, Roman. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org