From general-return-50553-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Jul 29 19:19:32 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C727118902 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28666 invoked by uid 500); 29 Jul 2015 19:19:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 28462 invoked by uid 500); 29 Jul 2015 19:19:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 28450 invoked by uid 99); 29 Jul 2015 19:19:32 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 7465DD8860 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDTQzDk1lhfY for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.34]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 0D53B428F6 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id yKJ71q00B2Udklx01KKEwl; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:14 +0000 Received: from tinybb.boudnik.org ([24.130.135.131]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id yKKD1q00L2qGB6001KKDmJ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:19:14 +0000 Received: by tinybb.boudnik.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 48A3F80F; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:26:16 -0700 From: Konstantin Boudnik To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator Message-ID: <20150729192616.GB27100@boudnik.org> Mail-Followup-To: general@incubator.apache.org References: <20150722231648.GU28615@boudnik.org> <20150723011109.GD4306@tpx> <55B09591.60700@apache.org> <1438186442.3757361.336422969.20696CD0@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55B90151.7000803@apache.org> <20150729175210.GN30506@boudnik.org> <55B924BD.4020100@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <55B924BD.4020100@apache.org> X-Organization: It's something of 'Cos User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1438197554; bh=xV0qqSWbQm1196ZSJFCmxp1gNmILYLey/x4rxgEDXP4=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FX70HbxoZpIna6meK+FYrtnNU5KMmd9yVqnYgBEAcs1l0QgXAt/gGCQ+X5/2FfmYy tg/L5h8F7OtPG4nL8+eUGWa/8mZSRW2fK1QREfuyBZmKL1W6UVbUHpxN0FH26QfWnV QoX+RkHOSxmyoh1OltI60gDjLQlsuS4udj5snqp5kvkINtP0T+IIUHKGnsygV4zoms c5deh/02XFoGb1KmmAmsuPZSjxhI+is05tvIJjLlb1qyKsaHRuBuSU0LaaQDA4MarO zMPZ3/IBelR7/+Fak4/Ombt4/mQ1uc+DON9VRU6mxEfOYkyPmzZ+hkmHYzpGiU7Nlv sOW+Pto3hhAug== On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:08PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 29.07.2015 19:51, Greg Stein wrote: > > On Jul 29, 2015 12:45 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:25PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >>> On Jul 29, 2015 11:37 AM, "Branko Čibej" wrote: > >>>> On 29.07.2015 18:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015, at 03:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > >>>>>> Personally I'm not too happy with how this community tracks > > issues, but > >>>>>> hey, if it works for them, why fix it? It'll be a fine day when the > >>> IPMC > >>>>>> starts telling podlings how their development workflow should look > >>> like. > >>>>> Does "works for them" translate into "people not currently in the > >>>>> community can follow how the existing community tracks issues, so > > they > >>>>> can contribute and become part of the community"? If so, then maybe > > it's > >>>>> OK. If it's not transparent to folks not currently part of that > >>>>> community, it's hard to see how the community will sustain itself > > with > >>>>> new members as other folks inevitably move on to other projects. > >>>> Given that new contributors keep showing up on a regular basis, I have > >>>> to assume that it's not so opaque as all that. > >>>> > >>>> Anyway, Ignite has been discussing and implementing a revised (and IMO > >>>> better) set of policies for Jira use and git workflow since this > >>>> discussion started; other than displaying an incomprehensible > > preference > >>>> for RTC, it seems to be going well. > >>> I always translate RTC as "we don't trust you, so somebody else must > >>> approve anything you do." > >>> > >>> To me, that is a lousy basis for creating a community. Trust and peer > >>> respect should be the basis, which implies CTR. I have seen many excuses > >>> for RTC, but they all are just window dressing over mistrust. > >> While I tend to agree with you, it worth noting that there's a whole > > bunch of > >> TLPs sticking to RTC. So, this data point doesn't reflect on the podling > > in > >> question. > > And POW!! There is one excuse on display already :-P > > > > "But others do it." > > How 'bout I propose a board resolution forbidding RTC at the ASF for > mainline development? :) [popcorn time...] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org