From general-return-50462-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Jul 23 21:00:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7923218924 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 92081 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2015 21:00:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91880 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jul 2015 21:00:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 91868 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jul 2015 21:00:03 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:00:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 3355918D9E5 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mx1-us-east.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJimyqXwllJy for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by mx1-us-east.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-us-east.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 490E943DDA for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.105]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vwyR1q0042GyhjZ01wyvKB; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:58:55 +0000 Received: from tinybb.boudnik.org ([24.130.135.131]) by resomta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vwyu1q00U2qGB6001wyvwl; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:58:55 +0000 Received: by tinybb.boudnik.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id C6403821; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:05:38 -0700 From: Konstantin Boudnik To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator Message-ID: <20150723210538.GH30506@boudnik.org> Mail-Followup-To: general@incubator.apache.org References: <55B0061A.3000707@apache.org> <20150722231648.GU28615@boudnik.org> <55B07771.9050001@gmx.org> <20150723062040.GG4306@tpx> <20150723185459.GE30506@boudnik.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: It's something of 'Cos User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1437685135; bh=V7Id2PlgDY70mesIxKkjtd7Fb/P4iqmyYvaZ+qnd8aI=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ofxm/it8u3/0ueOc6uG/1tzNi1ig2/PVdh8JeXWfOZgh3n15Cz055wxYo95h2aMf5 4XaIV81Ra2vMA8+GimjofkayaNNTQhIXV+JDaETi2hUDQytgaj/bab7Q3hfJBTiPQg NRjO1uyILZE7CcRMAlF/xVOUBaNRCmHI3TIU0bfV7+zsVwqMhXBQlfvY+w7erd2nES UtPYUFi9kyCX4AaOOnn9piVlWF/MTbmj2GTjCzyNup3Q2zyKyjCEXYpP41PxzuS/m5 +GrTGUFpp7WEER+Ft1cELXiDBpsfmbfPm/JUI2VKj9Lb/rHNeGJtppozLShBucF3lE +cYBk2WgWGbNw== On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:29AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Boudnik > > wrote: > > > > > > > Looks like now we can put "git branch deletion data loss" fiction to > > rest. > > > > > > > > > > I think that I am willing to say that the entirely reasonable git branch > > > detail loss QUESTION has been answered. > > > > > > I don't think that recasting it as a fiction is helpful because it tends > > to > > > polarize the conversation by implying that the question was made up as > > some > > > sort of propaganda ploy that had to be defeated by righteous opponents. > > > > No implications of a propaganda ploy, Ted - sorry if it looked that way. > > However, stories about how one thinks a software application should work is > > exactly that - a fiction ;) > > > > Cos, > > I am basing my questions on comments you made earlier [1]. To wit: > > After a quick walk through the master log I see that a bunch of the > > questionable commits are resulted from the dev. branches histories not > > being properly squashed before the feature is merged into the master. > > > My reading of your meaning here is that histories are expected to be > squashed, thus losing historical detail. 'histories are expected to be squashed' before the merge != 'existing histories of the shared branches are expected to be squashed' I guess we fell into the proverbial email-pit of semantical loss. > So this isn't a fiction, nor am I uninformed about how git works. This is > about questions that were raised based on how presumably well-informed > insiders describe the process combined with an examination of recent JIRA's > and the mailing list. > > As a side issue, I don't think that it helps to describe the other > participants in a conversation with heavily loaded terms and phrases like > "fiction" or "stories" or "how one thinks ... application should work". > Please credit other people in this conversation with good intent and with > technical competence. There are real questions being discussed here and > distracting the conversation from the content-rich answers that can resolve > those questions isn't helpful. Wasn't aiming to hurt anyone, Ted - see above ;) Besides, 'fiction' isn't a lewd word, last time I've checked. Cheers, Cos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org