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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:02:14 GMT

Thanks for bringing up the Tez discussion.  I think that it was a great
example of a community responding to questions and criticisms in a very
open and evidence based manner.

I was strongly -1 on that proposal originally based on similar grounds to
what has been raised in this thread.  The community responded and showed me
how I was in error.  The discussion was civil, but there were strong
disagreements that were worked out over time. On my side, I was working
enormously hard at the time and subject to jet-lag which made it very hard
to respond well.

My vote in the ensuing VOTE thread was +1 because of how the community

I was convinced that the community was open and welcoming and trying to
build.  The raw numbers about affiliation weren't the whole story by any

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Chris Douglas <> wrote:

> Daniel-
> This has been discussed recently in graduations for Tez [1], Drill
> [2], and other projects whose continued incubation serves no purpose.
> They've completed a curriculum that clears their IP and introduces
> them to the ASF's infrastructure, procedures, and culture. The project
> must be open, and not threatened by the challenges that open
> development poses. We encourage transparency by creating a climate for
> projects to report honestly about diversity, rather than incentivizing
> corruption of that metric.
> As this thread demonstrates, the IPMC cannot do more. -C
> P.S. Please fix your quoting, or delete the tail of the message as you
> reply.
> [1]
> [2]
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