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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:58:03 GMT

Also, if you look at the JIRA in question, the question of what is
happening is also not resovled:

There are no comments, nor any linkage to the commit history.

This could definitely be improved.  It is important to take the course
that Julian has done and see the project as an outsider would.  Can
this hypothetical outsider decipher what happened?

It sounds from Julian and Brane's input that the mailing list works
for this, but that there is no good way to correlate that back to the
code.  I would be happy to be contradicted on this, but I can't easily
connect starting from the JIRA to the commit logs.

This should be easy to fix.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Julian Hyde <> wrote:
> I reviewed Ignite’s commit log and email lists. I got the impression of a split personality:
The dev list[1] is very open and clearly following the Apache Way. Meanwhile, the commit log[2]
is (to my eyes at least) difficult to decipher.
> In the commit log, messages such as "Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master’”
and "# master minor”, "GG-10559 - Improvements.” are typical. Very few descriptive comments
or references to IGNITE-xxx cases that could provide further explanation. Those are indications
to me that development is been driven by off-list meetings.
> If the Ignite committers want to build a diverse community of developers, I think they
need to make their commits more transparent to match the excellent transparency they have
achieved on their mailing list.
> Julian
> [1]
> [2]
> On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:14 AM, Branko Čibej <> wrote:
>> On 21.07.2015 21:04, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>> Actually, given that this project was a spin-out of an internal project,
>>> this is a stunningly low number to have achieved so quickly (assuming that
>>> the 37% are actually active, that is).
>> Indeed. And yes, they're active; that's easily established by reading
>> the dev@ list, commit log and Jira log.
>> I was quite surprised by how quickly the project got contributors from
>> "outside", and anyone who takes the trouble to actually look at how the
>> community operates will find that it is very helpful and receptive. I
>> wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few TPLs and even recently
>> graduated podlings that could take the Ignite community as an example
>> rather than the other way around.
>> I suggest that everyone who doubts that this is an "open and diverse
>> community" should go and read the mailing list archives for the last few
>> months or so instead of making uninformed statements based on some
>> incidental numbers. If, on the other hand, you prefer running the IPMC
>> using statistics instead of facts, you could at least have made the
>> effort to look at the trends instead of a point-in-time snapshot.
>> -- Brane
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