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From Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:19:30 GMT
Please re-read the quote from Roy:

"There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
We must not confuse the two."

and later

"I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
and I have no cycles to spare."

Thanks,
Roman.


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:55 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
> On 21 July 2015 at 22:48, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> > Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
>>
>> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
>> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
>> meritocratic community."?
>>
>> I think not.
>>
>
> If diversity does not matter, then please explain these references:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
>
> Diversity of committership is important for two main reasons:
>
>    -
>
>    it gives long term stability to the project development: in fact, with
>    all the developers affiliated to the same entity, the chance of seeing all
>    of them moving away from the project at the same time is much greater than
>    with a community of individuals affiliated to unrelated entities.
>    -
>
>    it gives a greater variety of technical visions: something that
>    guarantees a better adherence to environment and user's needs, thus a
>    higher change of finding real-life use of the software.
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting
>
>    -
>
>    PMC and committer diversity
>
>    A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor
>    or employer of contributors. Healthy projects also serve needs of many
>    parties. Thus the ASF prefers that projects have diverse PMCs and
>    committerships. *IF* the PMC has any concerns or perceives a problem
>    with the diversity, then the report should include information on the
>    number of unique organizations currently represented in its PMC and
>    committership.
>
> If diversity did not matter for TLPs, the above explanation and guidelines
> are false
>
>
> I think not.
>
>
> rgds
>
> jan I.
>
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
>> > understand how to make releases and are building community.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
>> >> nowhere.
>> >>
>> >> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman
>> and
>> >> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of
>> intended
>> >> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows
>> to
>> >> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
>> >> regarding healthiness.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Pierre Smits
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list
>> for a
>> >>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back
>> in
>> >>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who
>> want
>> >>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is
>> >>> 73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com):
>> >>>
>> >>> [quote]
>> >>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
>> >>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
>> >>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a
>> >>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
>> >>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
>> >>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
>> >>> and I have no cycles to spare.
>> >>>
>> >>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
>> >>> status impacts their ability to participate here.  IOW, it would
>> >>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
>> >>> [/quote]
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>   Cos
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> >>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
>> >>>> (Gridgrain).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
>> >> independece?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Pierre Smits
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>> >>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
>> >>> amareshwari@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to
" the
>> >>> automated
>> >>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I dont see any such on project website -
>> >>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
>> >>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> >>>>>> .
>> >>>>>> You might want to correct it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and  I'm wrong in understanding
>> >> the
>> >>>>>> description
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>> Amareshwari
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>> >>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community
established
>> >>>>>> consensus
>> >>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor
of proposing
>> >>>>>>> graduation to TLP.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Vote thread:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Summary of the vote results:
>> >>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>    1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
>> >>>>>>>    12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
>> >>>>>>>    13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
>> >>>>>>>    14. Milap Wadwa
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to
establish a
>> >>> consensus
>> >>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate
a vote.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank you
>> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in
the best
>> >>>>>>>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with
the
>> >>>>>>>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> >>>>>>>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
>> >>>>>>>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge
to
>> >>>>>>>     the public, related to the automated and managed
flow of
>> >>>>>>>     information between systems.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Should be:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------
>> >>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
>> >>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing
and
>> >>> transacting
>> >>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time"
>> >>>>>  --------
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> >>>>>>>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite
Project",
>> >>>>>>>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws
of the
>> >>>>>>>     Foundation; and be it further
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby is
>> >>>>>>>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of
software
>> >>>>>>>     related to the automated and managed flow of information
>> >>>>>>>     between systems and be it further
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
Ignite"
>> >> be
>> >>>>>>>     and hereby is created, the person holding such office
to
>> >>>>>>>     serve at the direction of the Board of Directors
as the chair
>> >>>>>>>     of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
>> >>> responsibility
>> >>>>>>>     for management of the projects within the scope
of
>> >>>>>>>     responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and
be it
>> >> further
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below
be and
>> >>>>>>>     hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members
of the
>> >>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>     Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
>> >>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of
Vice
>> >> President,
>> >>>>>>>     Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject
to the
>> >>>>>>>     direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
of the
>> >>>>>>>     Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
removal or
>> >>>>>>>     disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
>> >>>>>>>     and be it further
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be
and hereby is
>> >>>>>>>     tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
to
>> >>>>>>>     encourage open development and increased participation
in the
>> >>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby
>> >>>>>>>     is tasked with the migration and rationalization
of the
>> >> Apache
>> >>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to
the Apache
>> >>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache
Incubator
>> >>>>>>>     Project are hereafter discharged.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
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