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From "P. Taylor Goetz" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:51:17 GMT
(Sorry if the placement of this reply is wrong, but this thread is getting long and tarting
to branch a bit...)

Maybe the question we should be asking is:

Has the ignite podling demonstrated sufficient dedication to diversity that it can survive
as a TLP, and not be overly influenced by a single corporate entity?

If the answer is "yes," then I would vote +1.


> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:21 PM, David Nalley <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Daniel Gruno <> wrote:
>>> The question of diversity in this case is not "are we enough
>>> men/women/whatever", the question here is "is there a single corporate
>>> entity with a deciding vote in the project?".
>> Actually, I would hope that the criterion is whether there is a single
>> corporate entity, the distraction of which would effectively kill the
>> project.
>> And we do need to look at Ambari as a precedent.  Even now the PMC has 30
>> members from one company and 7 from other companies.  No other company has
>> more than two PMC members and all of the top 24 contributors are from the
>> majority company.  I would be very surprised if this project could survive
>> a withdrawal of support from that one company.
>> Yet we graduated Ambari without a peep.  Not surprisingly, most of the
>> votes were cast by employees of that one company.  But nobody complained at
>> all.
>> So it behooves us as some critique Ignite for lack of diversity to ask
>> whether precedent matters at all here.
>> Does it?
> Speaking generally:
> I don't think so.
> No one noticed or complained is hardly reason to ignore problems, (if
> it is indeed a problem) or to say that such decisions are now binding.
> It might be a different matter if it was explicitly acknowledged.
> --David
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