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From Daniel Gruno <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:41:07 GMT
On 07/24/2015 03:22 AM, Branko ─îibej wrote:
> On 24.07.2015 01:25, Valentin Kulichenko wrote:
>> I do agree that our Jira handling could be better and believe that
>> community has already responded to these discussions and addressed some of
>> the raised concerns. The truth is that so far many Jira discussions have
>> happened on the dev list, including community members sending notifications
>> about starting and ending work on Jiras and discussing Jira issues on the
>> dev list as well. This was a preferred way selected by the community that
>> we followed. I do agree that Jiras should be updated better and will
>> encourage everyone to do so going forward.
> As a small reminder, evidently to IPMC members as well as podling
> committers: Jira is not the official archive of "what happened" on the
> project. Only the dev@ list is. There is no requirement for any project
> to use the ASF Jira instance; there's not even a requirement to use an
> issue tracker. Suddenly making the contents of tickets in Jira an issue
> for graduation is just a bit out of order IMNSHO.
> The important question is whether the development process is open, not
> whether some entries in Jira appear to have adequate comments.

But, from what I can read in the comments about it, and from what I can
see when I scan the tickets, lists, commits etc; The commits only refer
to JIRA tickets and not discussions on the dev list, the JIRA tickets do
not refer to anything, and the dev list does not refer to neither the
commits IDs nor the how exactly are we to interpret what's
going on then, if it's all suddenly irrelevant?

Open Source development is not just about publishing your code, it's
also about making the development and decision process open and
transparent, and in several cases, such as the ones Ted listed, it does
not appear to be that way yet.

I see that this issue has been acknowledged on the dev list by at least
one member of the project, and while that is a positive response, I
stand by my decision to withhold support for graduation till I am
satisfied that this has been shown in a consistent manner across (most
of) the board.

With regards,

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