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From Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:17:33 GMT
Is this a reply to me or to Pierre?

I have not mentioned 63% anywhere. I have stated that we have a policy 
that states that a podling must have an open and diverse meritocratic 
community.  The link you put in your reply says exactly that.

With regards,
Daniel.

On 2015-07-22 00:16, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> Sorry, which part of the quoted policy the 63% is allegedly scraping out?
>
> For easy reference, here's the link
>      https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> to the document containing the section of "Creating an Open and Diverse
> community". So far I haven't heard a single matter of fact evidence supporting
> your claim.
>
> Thanks
>    Cos
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
>> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
>> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
>> meritocratic community."?
>>
>> I think not.
>>
>>
>>> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
>>> understand how to make releases and are building community.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
>>>> nowhere.
>>>>
>>>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman and
>>>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of intended
>>>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows to
>>>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
>>>> regarding healthiness.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>
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>>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
>>>> Services and Retail & Trade
>>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list for
a
>>>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back
in
>>>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who want
>>>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is
>>>>> 73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com):
>>>>>
>>>>> [quote]
>>>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
>>>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
>>>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a
>>>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
>>>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
>>>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
>>>>> and I have no cycles to spare.
>>>>>
>>>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
>>>>> status impacts their ability to participate here.  IOW, it would
>>>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>    Cos
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
>>>>>> (Gridgrain).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
>>>> independece?
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre Smits
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
>>>>> amareshwari@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to
" the
>>>>> automated
>>>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website -
>>>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> You might want to correct it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and  I'm wrong in understanding
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> description
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Amareshwari
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community
established
>>>>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor
of proposing
>>>>>>>>> graduation to TLP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vote thread:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
>>>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results:
>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
>>>>>>>>>     12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
>>>>>>>>>     13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
>>>>>>>>>     14. Milap Wadwa
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish
a
>>>>> consensus
>>>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate
a vote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in
the best
>>>>>>>>>      interests of the Foundation and consistent with
the
>>>>>>>>>      Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>>>>>>>      Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
>>>>>>>>>      open-source software, for distribution at no charge
to
>>>>>>>>>      the public, related to the automated and managed
flow of
>>>>>>>>>      information between systems.
>>>>>>> Should be:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
>>>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and
>>>>> transacting
>>>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time"
>>>>>>>   --------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>>>>>>>      Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite
Project",
>>>>>>>>>      be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws
of the
>>>>>>>>>      Foundation; and be it further
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby is
>>>>>>>>>      responsible for the creation and maintenance of
software
>>>>>>>>>      related to the automated and managed flow of information
>>>>>>>>>      between systems and be it further
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache
Ignite"
>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>      and hereby is created, the person holding such office
to
>>>>>>>>>      serve at the direction of the Board of Directors
as the chair
>>>>>>>>>      of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>>>>>      for management of the projects within the scope
of
>>>>>>>>>      responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and
be it
>>>> further
>>>>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below
be and
>>>>>>>>>      hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members
of the
>>>>>>>>>      Apache Ignite Project:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>      Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
>>>>>>>>>      Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of
Vice
>>>> President,
>>>>>>>>>      Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject
to the
>>>>>>>>>      direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
of the
>>>>>>>>>      Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
removal or
>>>>>>>>>      disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
>>>>>>>>>      and be it further
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be
and hereby is
>>>>>>>>>      tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
to
>>>>>>>>>      encourage open development and increased participation
in the
>>>>>>>>>      Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby
>>>>>>>>>      is tasked with the migration and rationalization
of the
>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>      Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to
the Apache
>>>>>>>>>      Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache
Incubator
>>>>>>>>>      Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>>>>>>>
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