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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:26:16 GMT
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:08PM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> On 29.07.2015 19:51, Greg Stein wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 2015 12:45 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" <cos@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:25PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >>> On Jul 29, 2015 11:37 AM, "Branko Čibej" <brane@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>> On 29.07.2015 18:14, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015, at 03:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> >>>>>> Personally I'm not too happy with how this community tracks
> > issues, but
> >>>>>> hey, if it works for them, why fix it? It'll be a fine day when
the
> >>> IPMC
> >>>>>> starts telling podlings how their development workflow should
look
> >>> like.
> >>>>> Does "works for them" translate into "people not currently in the
> >>>>> community can follow how the existing community tracks issues, so
> > they
> >>>>> can contribute and become part of the community"? If so, then maybe
> > it's
> >>>>> OK. If it's not transparent to folks not currently part of that
> >>>>> community, it's hard to see how the community will sustain itself
> > with
> >>>>> new members as other folks inevitably move on to other projects.
> >>>> Given that new contributors keep showing up on a regular basis, I have
> >>>> to assume that it's not so opaque as all that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, Ignite has been discussing and implementing a revised (and IMO
> >>>> better) set of policies for Jira use and git workflow since this
> >>>> discussion started; other than displaying an incomprehensible
> > preference
> >>>> for RTC, it seems to be going well.
> >>> I always translate RTC as "we don't trust you, so somebody else must
> >>> approve anything you do."
> >>>
> >>> To me, that is a lousy basis for creating a community. Trust and peer
> >>> respect should be the basis, which implies CTR. I have seen many excuses
> >>> for RTC, but they all are just window dressing over mistrust.
> >> While I tend to agree with you, it worth noting that there's a whole
> > bunch of
> >> TLPs sticking to RTC.  So, this data point doesn't reflect on the podling
> > in
> >> question.
> > And POW!! There is one excuse on display already :-P
> >
> > "But others do it."
> 
> How 'bout I propose a board resolution forbidding RTC at the ASF for
> mainline development? :)

[popcorn time...]

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