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From Konstantin Boudnik <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:31:10 GMT
Thanks Julian - that's something that this community would have it improve.
Although I don't see if a particular way of using (or not using) JIRA is a
graduation's requirement. If there's a way to trace a particular feature to an
archived discussion - ie mailing list - there's no problem in my professional
view ;)

As Brane said above: perhaps not the still snapshot, but rather the trends of
the improvements have to be considered when the future graduation is

Do we have a disagreement about the graduation criteria? Yes. Does IPMC asks
right questions: sure!

Shall we agree that the community is ready to graduate and task the new PMC
with a couple of the action items such as keep recruiting outside committers,
thus growing the viability of the project, and improving the JIRA
communication process? If we can agree on this last proposal then we just
might have the consensus.

Is it a reasonable course of action?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:23PM, Julian Hyde wrote:
> I reviewed Ignite’s commit log and email lists. I got the impression of a
> split personality: The dev list[1] is very open and clearly following the
> Apache Way. Meanwhile, the commit log[2] is (to my eyes at least) difficult
> to decipher.
> In the commit log, messages such as "Merge remote-tracking branch
> 'origin/master’” and "# master minor”, "GG-10559 - Improvements.” are
> typical. Very few descriptive comments or references to IGNITE-xxx cases
> that could provide further explanation. Those are indications to me that
> development is been driven by off-list meetings.
> If the Ignite committers want to build a diverse community of developers, I
> think they need to make their commits more transparent to match the
> excellent transparency they have achieved on their mailing list.
> Julian
> [1]
> [2]
> On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:14 AM, Branko Čibej <> wrote:
> > On 21.07.2015 21:04, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >> Actually, given that this project was a spin-out of an internal project,
> >> this is a stunningly low number to have achieved so quickly (assuming that
> >> the 37% are actually active, that is).
> > 
> > Indeed. And yes, they're active; that's easily established by reading
> > the dev@ list, commit log and Jira log.
> > 
> > I was quite surprised by how quickly the project got contributors from
> > "outside", and anyone who takes the trouble to actually look at how the
> > community operates will find that it is very helpful and receptive. I
> > wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few TPLs and even recently
> > graduated podlings that could take the Ignite community as an example
> > rather than the other way around.
> > 
> > I suggest that everyone who doubts that this is an "open and diverse
> > community" should go and read the mailing list archives for the last few
> > months or so instead of making uninformed statements based on some
> > incidental numbers. If, on the other hand, you prefer running the IPMC
> > using statistics instead of facts, you could at least have made the
> > effort to look at the trends instead of a point-in-time snapshot.
> > 
> > -- Brane
> > 
> > 
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