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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:41:01 GMT
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:17AM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> Is this a reply to me or to Pierre?
> 
> I have not mentioned 63% anywhere. I have stated that we have a
> policy that states that a podling must have an open and diverse
> meritocratic community.  The link you put in your reply says exactly
> that.

it was question to Daniel because I don't see where proposed podling fails to
have "an open and diverse meritocratic community"; alas I don't see where the
alleged "policy scraping" is happening. The only quantitative data point I
have seen so far is these "63%" - hence my reference.

If this conversation has any attempt to be actionable - let's at least try to
be fact-of-matter. So far it was just a vague pointing to the out-of-context
quotes from the Incubator's guidelines.

Regards,
  Cos

> With regards,
> Daniel.
> 
> On 2015-07-22 00:16, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> >Sorry, which part of the quoted policy the 63% is allegedly scraping out?
> >
> >For easy reference, here's the link
> >     https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> >to the document containing the section of "Creating an Open and Diverse
> >community". So far I haven't heard a single matter of fact evidence supporting
> >your claim.
> >
> >Thanks
> >   Cos
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> >>On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >>>Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
> >>So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
> >>major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
> >>meritocratic community."?
> >>
> >>I think not.
> >>
> >>
> >>>What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
> >>>understand how to make releases and are building community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
> >>>>nowhere.
> >>>>
> >>>>If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman
and
> >>>>yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of intended
> >>>>project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows
to
> >>>>77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
> >>>>regarding healthiness.
> >>>>
> >>>>Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Pierre Smits
> >>>>
> >>>>*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> >>>>Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> >>>>Based Manufacturing, Professional
> >>>>Services and Retail & Trade
> >>>>http://www.orrtiz.com
> >>>>
> >>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list
for a
> >>>>>number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back
in
> >>>>>2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who
want
> >>>>>to look it up in the archives MessageId is
> >>>>>73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[quote]
> >>>>>There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
> >>>>>requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
> >>>>>We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is
a
> >>>>>diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
> >>>>>out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
> >>>>>I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
> >>>>>and I have no cycles to spare.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
> >>>>>status impacts their ability to participate here.  IOW, it would
> >>>>>create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
> >>>>>[/quote]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Regards,
> >>>>>   Cos
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >>>>>>It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
> >>>>>>(Gridgrain).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
> >>>>independece?
> >>>>>>Best regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Pierre Smits
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>>dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
> >>>>>amareshwari@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set
to " the
> >>>>>automated
> >>>>>>>>and managed flow of information between systems."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I dont see any such on project website -
> >>>>>>>>http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>>>>Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>>>>>.
> >>>>>>>>You might want to correct it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Correct me if description is fine and  I'm wrong in understanding
> >>>>the
> >>>>>>>>description
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thanks
> >>>>>>>>Amareshwari
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>>>>dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hello Apache Incubator,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community
established
> >>>>>>>>consensus
> >>>>>>>>>and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor
of proposing
> >>>>>>>>>graduation to TLP.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Vote thread:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
> >>>>>>>>>Summary of the vote results:
> >>>>>>>>>+1 (non-binding) = 14
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>    1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>    12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
> >>>>>>>>>    13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
> >>>>>>>>>    14. Milap Wadwa
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal
to establish a
> >>>>>consensus
> >>>>>>>>>within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate
a vote.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Below is our proposed resolution:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Thank you
> >>>>>>>>>Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite
PPMC)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to
be in the best
> >>>>>>>>>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with
the
> >>>>>>>>>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project
Management
> >>>>>>>>>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
> >>>>>>>>>     open-source software, for distribution at no
charge to
> >>>>>>>>>     the public, related to the automated and managed
flow of
> >>>>>>>>>     information between systems.
> >>>>>>>Should be:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>---------
> >>>>>>>"related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
> >>>>>>>integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing
and
> >>>>>transacting
> >>>>>>>on large-scale data sets in real-time"
> >>>>>>>  --------
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project
Management
> >>>>>>>>>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache
Ignite Project",
> >>>>>>>>>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws
of the
> >>>>>>>>>     Foundation; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be
and hereby is
> >>>>>>>>>     responsible for the creation and maintenance
of software
> >>>>>>>>>     related to the automated and managed flow of
information
> >>>>>>>>>     between systems and be it further
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President,
Apache Ignite"
> >>>>be
> >>>>>>>>>     and hereby is created, the person holding such
office to
> >>>>>>>>>     serve at the direction of the Board of Directors
as the chair
> >>>>>>>>>     of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
> >>>>>responsibility
> >>>>>>>>>     for management of the projects within the scope
of
> >>>>>>>>>     responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project;
and be it
> >>>>further
> >>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately
below be and
> >>>>>>>>>     hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
members of the
> >>>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>     Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
> >>>>>>>>>     Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office
of Vice
> >>>>President,
> >>>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and
subject to the
> >>>>>>>>>     direction of the Board of Directors and the
Bylaws of the
> >>>>>>>>>     Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
removal or
> >>>>>>>>>     disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
> >>>>>>>>>     and be it further
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC
be and hereby is
> >>>>>>>>>     tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws
intended to
> >>>>>>>>>     encourage open development and increased participation
in the
> >>>>>>>>>     Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be
and hereby
> >>>>>>>>>     is tasked with the migration and rationalization
of the
> >>>>Apache
> >>>>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>     RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining
to the Apache
> >>>>>>>>>     Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the
Apache Incubator
> >>>>>>>>>     Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>>>>>>>>
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