incubator-general mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:26:28 GMT
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:13PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote:
> It seems to me the spirit of the diversity statement is about project survival:
> 
> >   A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor
> >   or employer of contributors.
> 
> So I would think satisfying that requirement wouldn’t necessarily involve a
> percentage, but rather a simple number: At least 3 PMC members who are not
> affiliated with the employer of the majority.

I think it sounds reasonable! And looks like it's all right here: there's more
than 3 PMC members not affiliated with the majority's employer.

Cos

> That way if the employer of the majority departed, there would be enough
> remaining members for form consensus.
> 
> -Taylor
> 
> 
> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:55 PM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On 21 July 2015 at 22:48, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> >>> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
> >> 
> >> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
> >> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
> >> meritocratic community."?
> >> 
> >> I think not.
> >> 
> > 
> > If diversity does not matter, then please explain these references:
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
> > 
> > Diversity of committership is important for two main reasons:
> > 
> >   -
> > 
> >   it gives long term stability to the project development: in fact, with
> >   all the developers affiliated to the same entity, the chance of seeing all
> >   of them moving away from the project at the same time is much greater than
> >   with a community of individuals affiliated to unrelated entities.
> >   -
> > 
> >   it gives a greater variety of technical visions: something that
> >   guarantees a better adherence to environment and user's needs, thus a
> >   higher change of finding real-life use of the software.
> > 
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting
> > 
> >   -
> > 
> >   PMC and committer diversity
> > 
> >   A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor
> >   or employer of contributors. Healthy projects also serve needs of many
> >   parties. Thus the ASF prefers that projects have diverse PMCs and
> >   committerships. *IF* the PMC has any concerns or perceives a problem
> >   with the diversity, then the report should include information on the
> >   number of unique organizations currently represented in its PMC and
> >   committership.
> > 
> > If diversity did not matter for TLPs, the above explanation and guidelines
> > are false
> > 
> > 
> > I think not.
> > 
> > 
> > rgds
> > 
> > jan I.
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
> >>> understand how to make releases and are building community.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
> >>>> nowhere.
> >>>> 
> >>>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman
> >> and
> >>>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of
> >> intended
> >>>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows
> >> to
> >>>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
> >>>> regarding healthiness.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Pierre Smits
> >>>> 
> >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> >>>> Services and Retail & Trade
> >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list
> >> for a
> >>>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project
(back
> >> in
> >>>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those
who
> >> want
> >>>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is
> >>>>> 73DB2E64-87D5-4DD5-91FB-403464895AC5@gbiv.com):
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [quote]
> >>>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF.  There is a behavior
> >>>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
> >>>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is
a
> >>>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
> >>>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
> >>>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
> >>>>> and I have no cycles to spare.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
> >>>>> status impacts their ability to participate here.  IOW, it would
> >>>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
> >>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>  Cos
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >>>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
> >>>>>> (Gridgrain).
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
> >>>> independece?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Pierre Smits
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
> >>>>> amareshwari@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set
to " the
> >>>>> automated
> >>>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems."
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website -
> >>>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion
-
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>> You might want to correct it.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and  I'm wrong in
understanding
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> description
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>> Amareshwari
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator,
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community
established
> >>>>>>>> consensus
> >>>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor
of proposing
> >>>>>>>>> graduation to TLP.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Vote thread:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results:
> >>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>   1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
> >>>>>>>>>   12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
> >>>>>>>>>   13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
> >>>>>>>>>   14. Milap Wadwa
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal
to establish a
> >>>>> consensus
> >>>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate
a vote.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you
> >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite
PPMC)
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be
in the best
> >>>>>>>>>    interests of the Foundation and consistent with
the
> >>>>>>>>>    Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>>>>>>>>    Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of
> >>>>>>>>>    open-source software, for distribution at no
charge to
> >>>>>>>>>    the public, related to the automated and managed
flow of
> >>>>>>>>>    information between systems.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Should be:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ---------
> >>>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
> >>>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing
and
> >>>>> transacting
> >>>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time"
> >>>>>>> --------
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project
Management
> >>>>>>>>>    Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite
Project",
> >>>>>>>>>    be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws
of the
> >>>>>>>>>    Foundation; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby is
> >>>>>>>>>    responsible for the creation and maintenance
of software
> >>>>>>>>>    related to the automated and managed flow of
information
> >>>>>>>>>    between systems and be it further
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President,
Apache Ignite"
> >>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>    and hereby is created, the person holding such
office to
> >>>>>>>>>    serve at the direction of the Board of Directors
as the chair
> >>>>>>>>>    of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
> >>>>> responsibility
> >>>>>>>>>    for management of the projects within the scope
of
> >>>>>>>>>    responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project;
and be it
> >>>> further
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately
below be and
> >>>>>>>>>    hereby are appointed to serve as the initial
members of the
> >>>>>>>>>    Apache Ignite Project:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    Semyon Boikov (sboikov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Konstantin Boudnik (cos@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Branko Čibej (brane@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Ognen Duzlevski (maketo@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Sergey Evdokimov (sevdokimov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Alexey Goncharuk (agoncharuk@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Nikita Ivanov (nivanov30@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Sergey Khisamov (skh@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Valentin Kulichenko (vkulichenko@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznetsov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Gianfranco Murador (murador@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Andrey Novikov (anovikov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Vladimir Ozerov (vozerov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrakyan@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Roman Shaposhnik (rvs@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Ilya Sterin (isterin@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikhonov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Irina Vasilinets (ivasilinets@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Anton Vinogradov (av@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Sergey Vladykin (svladykin@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Evans Ye (evansye@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>>    Yakov Zhdanov (yzhdanov@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
> >>>>>>>>>    Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office
of Vice
> >>>> President,
> >>>>>>>>>    Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and
subject to the
> >>>>>>>>>    direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
of the
> >>>>>>>>>    Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
removal or
> >>>>>>>>>    disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
> >>>>>>>>>    and be it further
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC
be and hereby is
> >>>>>>>>>    tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended
to
> >>>>>>>>>    encourage open development and increased participation
in the
> >>>>>>>>>    Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and
hereby
> >>>>>>>>>    is tasked with the migration and rationalization
of the
> >>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>    Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>    RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining
to the Apache
> >>>>>>>>>    Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the
Apache Incubator
> >>>>>>>>>    Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >> 
> >> 
> 



---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org


Mime
View raw message