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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate NiFi from the Apache Incubator
Date Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:33:45 GMT
Hi

Sorry for top posting, I do understand why the resolution is being changed,
however it this
really the correct place to do it. The community must be behind and
agreeing to the resolution,
so changes should in my opinion by discussed on your dev@ list.

The IPMC should be presented with a resolution that the community agrees on.

rgds
jan i.


On 14 June 2015 at 17:18, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:

> Adjusted to clarify the 'realtime' reference which can be misleading:
>
>
>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>     the public, related to an automated and durable data broker
>     between systems providing interactive command and control
>     and detailed chain of custody for data.
>
>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache NiFi Project",
>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>     Foundation; and be it further
>
>     RESOLVED, that the Apache NiFi Project be and hereby is
>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>     related to an automated and durable data broker
>     between systems providing interactive command and control
>     and detailed chain of custody for data; and be it further
>
>     ...
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
> wrote:
> > It is less generic, but I think I am not in a position to determine what
> is
> > suitable. The community + mentors should be a better group to discuss it.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Niclas,
> >>
> >> I agree that the scope could be improved.  It is a tough balancing act
> >> of course.  How would about this modification:
> >>
> >>     WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>     interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>     Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>     Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>     open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> >>     the public, related to an automated and durable data broker
> >>     between systems providing realtime command and control
> >>     and detailed chain of custody for data.
> >>
> >>     NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>     Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache NiFi Project",
> >>     be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>     Foundation; and be it further
> >>
> >>     RESOLVED, that the Apache NiFi Project be and hereby is
> >>     responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> >>     related to an automated and durable data broker
> >>     between systems providing realtime command and control
> >>     and detailed chain of custody for data; and be it further
> >>
> >>     ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > From the peanut gallery;
> >> > Doesn't
> >> >     "related to the automated and managed flow of information between
> >> > systems"
> >> > apply to at least half of all software out there?
> >> >
> >> > In other words, the scope is very wide, and could include anything
> from
> >> > SNMP to Apache Mesos and much much more. I think the Board will be
> >> happier
> >> > with a somewhat more narrow definition.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Niclas
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:04 AM, jan i <jani@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> thanks for the responses I will cast a +1 at vote time.
> >> >>
> >> >> sorry for asking the questions, but I was insecure.
> >> >>
> >> >> rgds
> >> >> jan i
> >> >>
> >> >> On Friday, June 12, 2015, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Sean sure makes more sense than me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com
> >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >> > > Sean is one of those folks i referred to.  Id be an easy
+1
> >> >> > > On Jun 12, 2015 9:24 AM, "Andrew Purtell" <apurtell@apache.org
> >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >> As Sean says he's been engaged with the project while
acting as
> >> >> mentor,
> >> >> > >> IMHO beyond mentor-ly duties. If the NiFi folks will
have him on
> >> the
> >> >> > >> initial PMC and he's willing to join it, this should
resolve the
> >> >> stated
> >> >> > >> concerns.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On Friday, June 12, 2015, Sean Busbey <busbey@cloudera.com
> >> >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<
> >> >> > >> > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> >> >> > >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Sean Busbey
<
> >> busbey@cloudera.com
> >> >> > <javascript:;>
> >> >> > >> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> >> > >> > > > ...I have no reason to believe either
my engagement or the
> >> >> PPMC's
> >> >> > >> > > willingness
> >> >> > >> > > > to reach out to or listen to what I have
to say will
> change
> >> upon
> >> >> > >> > > > graduation, so I don't think they need
a checkbox ASF
> member
> >> on
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >> > > initial
> >> >> > >> > > > PMC and I'd prefer they not add one...
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > > It's not about ticking a checkbox - it's about
an ASF member
> >> >> > agreeing
> >> >> > >> > > to stay with the project to help here and there
with things
> >> where
> >> >> > >> > > members can help.
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> > >
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Understood. I can't speak for any other ASF member,
but I'm
> >> already
> >> >> > >> there,
> >> >> > >> > engaged, and planning to stay. I don't need a binding
PMC vote
> >> to do
> >> >> > >> that.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > --
> >> >> > >> > Sean
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> --
> >> >> > >> Best regards,
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>    - Andy
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting
back. -
> Piet
> >> >> Hein
> >> >> > >> (via Tom White)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >> > http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> >>
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